I figure since I’ve got a question where I ask anti-Mormons and others to answer my questions, it’s only fair that I have a section where I take questions. Actually, it’s my blog and I can do what I want with it and fair has nothing to do with it, so let’s just say I’d enjoy entertaining any questions people would like to ask. I’m as interested in learning the truth as anyone, and I’ve found that responding to questions from anti-Mormons helps me learn more about my faith. If you’ve got a question feel free to post a comment asking it. If it’s a decent question I’ll answer it…when I get the time. You can ask questions like “Why are Mormons so stupid?” but I probably won’t answer that type of question. In fact, I’ll probably just delete it so as to not clutter up the legitimate comments.
Ask away.
i hope this isnt a stupid question, cos this is really doing my head in, anyways 1st i’ll explain my situation..
im 17 and ive been dating a mormon for about 5 months now, and ur gonna think its silly but i really love her, and weve spoken about marriage and i really do wanna marry her, and im willing to convert to b with her, but i also know that we need to get married in the temple, and that non members arent allowed in.. and i dont want to get married without my parents there, and my girlfriend seems to think im being irrational for wanting my parents to see me get married
wat should i do??
This is more a question for Dr. Laura, but I’ll give you my opinion–stop talking about marriage when you’re 17 and wait a few years. A lot of us dreamed of getting married when we were teenagers, but now that we’re older we realize what a huge mistake that would have been. If you wait a few years you’ll have an entirely different perspective, and if you still want to get married to the same person when you’re 23 you’ll be much better prepared for it.
Also, you should never convert to someone’s religion just because you’re in love with them. That’s a recipe for disaster. If you really love this girl, then wait a few years, and don’t become a Mormon unless you’d want to do it even if she dumped you.
thank u for ur input.. i wouldnt feel rite talking to our local missionaries about this kinda thing..
dont worry i have assured here that i wouldnt b converting until i was 100% ready for it, ive started to attend church on days wen work permits, and i am reading the book of mormon atm.. believe me i want to to this just as much for myself, aswell as to b with her.. and u probly think its wrong to b in such a serious relationship at this age, but i think its silly to b putting a specific age on this kind of thing, because nobody can know if ur ready for it but urself..
also another question, kinda unrelated though.. but my girlfriend says she cant watch movies that r rated MA15 because the prophet sed not to, now i know its probly bad to question wat the prophet says, but y should u (as a religious group) b letting a national government decide wat u can and cant watch?? that idea seems silly to me, surely as individuals u would b able to decide for urself wat is appropriate to watch and wat isnt..
anyways thanx once again for ur opinion
I agree that the rating system is a crock. Back in the 80′s when the original statement on R-rated movies was made things were a little more clear because you had G, PG, and R, and that was it. PG movies could be depended on to be pretty safe, and R movies were pretty sure to have all sorts of violence, sex, and cursing. PG was Star Wars, and R was Rambo, and it was pretty obvious to everyone what the differences were. When PG-13 came along, things started to change and get convoluted. Not only that, but the ratings board seems to make some strange decisions. There are PG-13 movies that are full of sex and innuendo and that show unhealthful and immoral behavior as perfectly acceptable, even preferable, while there are R-rated movies that have little swearing, no sex, no innuendo, little violence, etc. and yet are rated R for the sake of somebody having some blood on their arm. I personally would let my children watch The Matrix 10 times over before I would let them watch Titanic. That said, I would let my kids watch The Matrix either. Maybe when they’re older, and if it’s an edited version. Maybe.
I think the safe path to take is to take the prophets’ advice and don’t watch rated R movies, and be careful with the other movies as well. My wife and I popped in a PG-13 movie (Mean Girls) last night, and even though we were watching it on a ClearPlay DVD player that edits out profanity, innuendo, sex, etc. we still found it offensive enough after the first five minutes that we turned it off.
Even if the prophet gives advice on what movies to watch, that doesn’t take away your freedom to make your own choices. You still decide whether to take his advice or not, and so you are still deciding for yourself what is appropriate to watch and what isn’t.
Joshua,
I would appreciate the name of just one secular encyclopediaa and page which provides supporting information that:
1. “Reformed Egyptian” was really an ancient language.
2. “Domesticated” horses existed in the America’s prior to Columbus.
3. That ancient languages can be translated by looking at a rock in a hat. See: (Ensign » 1993 » July A Treasured Testament By Elder Russell M. Nelson)
Joshua,
How is it possible for you to support your church with it going against its own scripture? “We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members as citizens, denied.” (D&C 134:9)
United Church of Christ
The resolution “In support of equal marriage rights for all”, supported by an estimated 80% of the 884 General Synod Delegates, made the United Church of Christ General Synod the first major Christian deliberative body in the U.S. to make a statement of support for “equal marriage rights” for all people, regardless of gender.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ The Unitarian Church also supports gay marriage.
The Mormon Church spearheading Prop 8 in Californian has denied equal rights of a minority. The LDS Churches position toward gays is totally at odds with mainstream psychology. See the American Psychological Association statements:
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/policy/marriage.pdf
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/justthefacts.pdf
Hi Skeptic, I’ve answered your first question at “Egyptians, Horses, and Rocks in Hats” and your second question at “The Hypocrisy of Mormons in Opposing Gay Marriage“.
Thanks for the questions, and please feel free to comment on my answers. I don’t have as much time to discuss these topics as I would like to have, but I participate as much as I can and perhaps there are others out there who would like to discuss them further as well.
Hi Equality, I’m going to delete your “interracial” comment because it actually belongs with the post to which it relates. If you could post this comment under the “hypocrisy” thread linked above then I’d be glad to respond there. I emailed you about this but maybe you’re not using a real email address since it appears you didn’t receive it.
Thinking about Joining a Mormon Church. Later you will discover that the Mormon Jesus is Satan’s brother and God is flesh even tho the Holy Bible declares that He is Spirit. That Jesus cannot save us by faith alone as the Holy Bible declares we can be but they add works before faith.
Interesting how Joseph Smith attacks who God the Father is, Who God the Son is and who God the Holy Spirit is and we are saved by faith alone. The very heart is what Satan is after. To stop the heart is to stop life. Joseph Smith was placed in Jail and someone smuggled a gun to him and he shot it to stop the heart. Think about it.
I’m thinking about it…and I think someone may be a few clowns short of a three-ring circus.
I’m Peculiar also.
hey josh
im actually getting baptised in a month:):)
but yeh i was just wondering if u could let me know roughly wat is involved in the repentence of sexual sins???
A three-Ring Circus? I share the truth and you crucify it and spit these uncalled words out at me. “A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.” (Proverbs 14:16)
why cant mormons touch the ocean on a beach on sundays??
Hey Josh,
I have a couple of questions that I wrestled with for a long time. (not anymore though) I’m sure you’ve asked yourself the same questions. I’d be interested to see how you’ve managed to make peace with them.
You and I were both born into the church to LDS families. If Mormonism is the one true church, wow…..we really hit the jackpot. Extremely lucky, right? Out of the billions and billions of humans that have come and gone over the last 50,000 years, and the tens of thousands of organized religions, not to mention the other tribal/pagan/animist beliefs, we were so unimaginably fortunate to have been born into the Creator of the Universe’s own special organization on earth.
We could have been born into any other circumstance where we were taught to believe in the existence of various deities. We could have grown up in Northern Europe a thousand years ago believing in Odin or many thousands of years ago in Egypt believing in Min. After being taught those beliefs by our parents and surrounding culture, wouldn’t we have been believers? I think so.
So, what is more likely? That you and I were unimaginably lucky, or that everyone else feels the same way about the faith of their family/culture?
I have two follow up questions based on the above:
By what criteria do you discount the truth claims of the other 10,000 organized religions in the world?
And, what, if anything would lead you to the conclusion that Mormonism’s foundational stories, personalities and writings are not what they claim to be?
Alrighty John, you caught me at a good time. Normally it would take me a month to respond, if at all.
Am I Mormon Just Because I Was Born Into it?
Is There Anything That Could Convince You That Mormonism is Not True?
Would you mind taking a question from an active member?
If we are to consider ourselves as Adam and Eve, shouldn’t we be willing to consider that our fall has or shall happen when we will partake of fruit we are forbidden to take?
Could this “fall” be the result of the law in D&C 132:26 when read in terms of God and His Bride Israel who was put away for all manner of blasphemy, etc.?
If the gathering of Ephraim and restoration of the Gospel qualifies as being resurrected and entering into our exaltation, but as the law states, we have dire consequences ahead. Was our being driven out of Missouri our being “destroyed in the flesh” again? Isn’t it clear we are yet stuck under the buffetings of the adversary who has essentially forced us to give up much of what the restoration gave us? Why is it Ephraim is not listed in the 12 tribes in Rev 7 when all the tribes to partake of redeemed Zion are mentioned? Could it be due to the terms of blotting out a tribe in Deut 29-18-20? Is Ephraim really in that much trouble?
Thanks for your time and consideration.
My question: I have a mormon friend whose husband is an anti-mormon Christian active in a ministry to save people out of mormonism. When he asks his mormon wife about the mormon church she will never have a discussion with him. Would she be able to get a temple recommend when she is married to someone who actively opposes mormonsm?
Also would she be able to go to the Celestial Kingdom living with this dogmatic non-believer in the LDS church and opposition to the mormon prophets, apostles, presidents?
Better to be an anti-mormon than to be an anti-Christ. This wife better wake up and listen to husband. He’s telling the truth which Mormonism is far from. Mormomism is deadly…
JimMissy,
You speak like you know quite a bit about things pertaining to Christ and His Church, so if you would please, answer these questions for me:
What percentage of those gathered into the church are tares and wheat?
How do you distinguish between the two?
Even though people profess a belief in Christ, how is it just that they as tares are bound in bundles and burned?
Why did Jesus tell his disciples that the time for the Kingdom had not yet come?
If Jesus told people to pray that His Father’s kingdom would come, how do you expect it to come?
It’s not what I know or what you know that counts. What counts if we know Jesus. The Bibical Jesus because the Mormon Jesus does not exist. To answer your questions is found in a parable like a baseball game. If one does not touch base then they shall be out at home plate.
The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical organization. God is not flesh. God is Spirit and those who worship Him much worship Him in Spirit and in truth. This is in the heart of God’s Word which Satan is behind to attack the heart through Mormonism.
I ask a Mormon, how do you know that you are saved? to which he said, because I follow the ordinances of the Mormon Church. I told him that he was not saved. Interesting how in God’s Word Salvation is a free gift to all who repent and accept but this youngster was too busy adding works to be accepted by the Mormon Church more than accepting what God gave by faith. I can see why folks call this not too smart. All I thought from that time on is “Many shall come to me that day and say Lord Lord, Look what all I done and Jesus will say, Go away I never knew you.
I have heard some Mormon’s say the Bible has errors and blame the K.J. Translators. I looked and find one mistake. In 1st Cor. 13 there is a word found there that does not belong and that word is not “EASILY” provoked. Now as I look in Moroni 7:45 here this same word not “EASILY” provoked appear again. A great blunder and proof Smith copied good parts of the Bible to look good outwardly.
Yet like many others before you, you will also probably work hard to find some way to honor this BOM blunder as divine truth and continue to place doubt on the Living Word. To blame God for this blunder is not wise. This is blasphemy.
You have been told the truth and just like the Pharisee’s you to probably don’t like it. Jesus called them White Washed Sepulchres and Mormon’s remind me of a Pharisee outwardly to be seen as good but I know what’s inside. Mormonism is deadly. JimMissy
JimMissy,
Why the double-talk? You say it’s not what I know and then you say it’s what I know. You say it’s not what you know but then you talk like you know. And, some things you said appear to me to contradict things Jesus said. Can we just have a sober and mutually respectful conversation that is based upon what Jesus actually says in His Word? He seems to be perfectly cohesive in his words to me and certainly that’s the most objective basis that exists between you and I to settle our differences. You obviously understand if one or both of us is contrary to Jesus that we are going to be thrown out and not make it home. I believe the questions I answered are a very basic staple of the Gospel. They are words that Jesus himself said. You say we must know Him so I think it is fair for me to expect you to know Him well enough to make sense of what He says and share it with me. These were honest questions you have not answered to my satisfaction. Evidently, you don’t know Jesus as well as you would like to present yourself as.
Hi Jason.
Double-talk? It’s not what I know but who I know that counts. One is what I have done. The other is what Jesus has done. What I done is never nothing to what Jesus done. He saved me when I accepted Him by faith. All I done is like fifthy rags. I was dead and now alive. You must of read what I sent wrongly the same you read God’s Word wrongly by doubting His Word.
Jesus spoke up to the Pharisee’s, so I speak up to you. If you don’t like it then I can see why you don’t hold the true Bibical Jesus.
Jesus used Parables and so do I answering with this question. If you do not touch first base in a Baseball game then you will be out at home plate. In Christian Churches not all people have touched 1st base. These are the tares. One shall be taken the other one left. Mormon’s has missed 1st base completely.
I gotta hit snooze land tonight. So I can’t send no more till tomorrow. Sorry… Been Good…. JimMissy
JimMissy,
Yes, you spoke double-talk. Read what you wrote. You are more than welcome to speak up to cold hard facts and valid Bible quotes until you are blue in the face. When you are done, you will just be blue in the face.
The demons He cast into the herd of swine surely knew who He was too. Did that save them from going over the cliff and drowning in the sea? If without his help you are still filthy rags then you are crucifying him afresh and doing as Paul says and drawing back unto perdition.
Is all you appear to me to be doing is turning Jesus into an idol that gives you license to sin and license to go around talking like a big shot know it all who then says it doesn’t matter what you know but who you know. If that is true, explain why it didn’t save the swine.
I find no scriptural basis for your baseball analogy. I do not consider you worthy to speak of sacred truths in parables as Jesus did. Let’s just stick to what He says in His Word, shall we?
Upon what basis do you claim the Kingdom of God is only a spiritual kingdom? Are you saying that Christ is NOT returning to the earth to rule and reign as King of kings? Are you saying Revelation 21:3 is never actually going to come to pass? God’s Word says “the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.” This says He is coming here in a tabernacle of flesh to be with us, His people. I guess you will be among those, like the Jews, who would seek to crucify Him all over again. Fortunately, this time around He wins and unbelieving deceived folk such as yourself get to eat crow.
Hi Jason,
A sober and mutually respectful conversation. I love to but how can I have a sober conversation with respect with anyone drunk from the BOM? Mormon’s stagger with what the Bible say’s and fall for this and fall for that drinking this deadly concoction made from Smith’s own steal and then by your questions you want to help me to walk by trying to pour me a drink with what Smith made up.
From this BOM Mormons see things that aren’t really there like, God is Flesh when the Bible say’s God is Spirit. That Smith saw God the Father when Jesus said no man has seen God the Father. That Jesus is seen as Satan’s brother when the Bible there is no sight of this. Mormons see God in Flesh having sex with Mary and Jesus born from a Virgin. That there are many god’s Mormon’s see but God say’s He knows of no other God besides Him. Smith loved to see folks fall from his concoctions. Especially the girls.
Smith made another wild concoction named the Book of Abraham he brewed from a Mummy’s burial papers. Many swallowed this Mummy concoction thats labeled Abraham from Smiths steal. The correct label is an Egyptian Priest Whine. A real fine whine…….. JimMissy
JimMissy,
I don’t recall trying to use the BOM as a basis for our dialog. We can just talk about the Bible if you like. The way a mutually respectful and sober dialog works is really a very simple thing. You answer questions asked and only ask questious you sincerely want answered. You do so honestly and forthrightly. You do not make non-substantive criticisms that rely upon mere subjective opinion. You should not use straw-man arguments. You should allow God’s Word in the Bible stand as the final authority to settle issues of disagreement. Sound fair to you? I’m ready when you are. Also, you might want to consider, in regard to your railings against the Prophet Joseph Smith Jun., you will want to judge all men with the same level of objective impersonality with an eye toward giving the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, you can pretty much count on the same rules of judgment you have applied to others being applied to you. That principle was taught by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I highly recommend you go ahead and take His advice to heart. This is especially important since He is going to be your judge.
This I can assure you, Jesus and Joseph Smith Jun. are on very good terms and Jesus looks out for His Friends. You may want to read Isaiah chapter 57 where it describes their reconciliation. Joseph Smith Jun. does get into some trouble and is smitten by God for his transgressions, but God forgives him and raises him up out of the depths of hell and restores comfort to those who mourned his loss. All of this happens in God’s wisdom so that the proud and judgmental would have a stumbling block. If you have mercy on the transgressor who goes like a lamb to the slaughter and joy in his redemption from hell, then so too shall you receive the same blessings. If you delight in a man going as a lamb to the slaughter and gloat and glory in it, you shall receive the same treatment for your sins as well, except you will be left there for eternity because that was your will and your desire for another. I know this because I too am a very good Friend of your Judge.
Jason,
Satan’s tail wiped out a 3rd of the Angels out of Heaven. Don’t let this Bull named Smith with its many long-tails wipe you out of Heaven. Holding onto all these Bulls Tails is messy, dirty and blinding.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Did you see that Jason? Whosoever believeth in Him. Not works in a Mormon Church first. Works comes after your saved, not before.
Jesus said to Peter, upon this Rock I shall build my Church that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. There is nothing here about any Smith coming to the rescue.
I know once a drunk always a drunk but miracles happens everyday. Bye from JimMissy
JimMissy,
You talk like you understand the Bible and can authoritatively condemn Joseph Smith Jun. based on that understanding. So, let me ask you some questions to test your spirits to make sure you are not judging unrighteous judgement.
Who is Satan?
What is heaven?
Who are the angels of heaven?
How did Satan gain access to these angels in heaven?
Under what circumstances were the angels tested?
How and why did a 3rd of them fail?
What are the consequences of these angels falling?
Since you claim to have a basis of pure knowledge by which to judge something else as messy, dirty and blinding, you should be able to answer these questions in a manner that has no appearance of such. Otherwise, you are just getting yourself blue in the face again.
What I see is my relationship to Christ is like that of a wife to her husband. Christ is my Lord. I am His helpmeet and companion and I seek to perform His will. I have children to raise and nurture, I have household chores to do, I have errands to run, I have clothes to mend, meals to prepare, intimacy to enjoy, children who stray that need reached out to, etc. I don’t just sit around all day sponging off of my husband talking with girlfriends about how much my husband spoils me and relishing on the fun and infactuation of the courtship. I have things to do and when I talk to my girlfriends we talk about how we can better serve and please our Husband. He is the least bit offended by this. I also expect that my wife is my helpmeet and companion so that I can be His helpmeet and companion. If my wife sat around all day and boasted to girlfriends how she didn’t need to turn a finger and left the house a mess and didn’t have nutritious meals prepared, etc. I would be letting her know she needed to get the vision and shape up or to go find another husband who would accept those terms.
The LDS church does not have a program of indenture in order to become a member. If you clearly understand the responsibilities and enter into a covenant with God then you merely need to repent prior to receiving the ordinances of salvation to enter the kingdom. It has always been this way. Even the man who baptized Jesus said it had to be this way. Then, once you are in the covenant you faithfully and joyfully perform the attendant duties just as a wife who loves her newly wed husband does. Works follow faith and salvation. You just don’t know what salvation is and look at it as foolishness.
The rock of which Jesus speaks is the rock of direct personal revelation that enabled Peter to know the truth of who Jesus truly was and is. Until a person knows for them self with absolute confidence via this manner of revelation who their Lord is and how to serve Him in righteousness, the gates of hell shall prevail against them. It was not Joseph Smith who came to the rescue. It was Jesus Christ who appeared to Joseph Smith who came to the rescue. Joseph Smith was merely a servant in the hands of Christ and brought back to earth a capacity to receive direct revelation just as Peter did. This ability to receive the mind and will of God is the rock the foundation of the church is built on. If you think it was the person Peter who was the rock then I hope you are a faithful Catholic.
At this point the only person who appears to be stumbling around unable to participate coherently in a mutually respectful dialog is you. Perhaps you need to check the source of the wine you are drinking?
Are you asking questions to help me be a drunk like you with answers out of Smiths bottle? Why are you so interested in making a drunk out of me? I introduce the Bibical Jesus who saves and you pass a bottle that I might get drunk to see a Jesus that don’t exsist. I don’t have to get drunk to receive Jesus. I already have Him in my heart. The kingdom of God is in my heart. No man shall pluck me out of His hands.
I will answer your questions,
Satan is the beginning of deceitfulness. This is who Smith probably saw since he can’t see God the Father.
What is Heaven?… A place thats out of this World (Peaceful) Moonshine creator Smith is not there nor his tail-huggers.
Who are the angels of heaven? God’s created being’s and Jesus is from all eternity, never created just like the Bible say’s.
How did Satan gain access to these angels in heaven? He disguised himself to look like an angel of light. Like Smith.
Under what circumstances were the angels tested? I might have to get drunk to understand this one.
How and why did a 3rd of angels fail? Lust for Power.
What are the consequences of these angels falling? Separation from God.
In God’s Word He already told me that deceivers would come so I judge not Smith because God warns me first. JimMissy
Jason, I don’t see your message here that you sent to me e-mail but I will send my message here to answer next. JimMissy
JimMissy,
Some of your answers were correct but most were non-answers. I agree many LDS people are going to perdition, which is eternal separation from God. It’s very sad but true. They are heading there because they have drawn back from the pure Gospel of the Kingdom, the one Jesus instructed all to pray for the coming of. Instead of building it up they have joined impotent Christianity to built up mammon and adopted many of their mysticisms in the process. Nowadays most LDS are ashamed of things that once were cherished aspects of the fulness of the Gospel. Deuteronomy 29:18-20 says what Ephraim will get for this.
OK Jason,
Your still plenty drunk and what you see in the Bible is not what I see. We have words like Trinity, Jesus, and God but the meanings are not the same. Sober I see, drunk you see different.
You see strange things like I’m a big shot know-it-all which is the way a Pharisee would treat Jesus. I know the true bibical Jesus and proud of it. What I know is secondary, who Jesus I know is first importance and you shame me with spitful words for putting Him first and your old friends give Smith a gun to kill to preserve his own life which you honor and protect and call him Jesus friend. Smith had plenty of time to repent and get rid of the gun but he didn’t and held onto it. A person would of not kept holding onto the gun if he knew he wasn’t going to use it. He gave it a shot at the Bible to tear out the heart and he really shot to stop the heart. With that said, I’m ready to discuss the Bible only, ok.
Let’s start with God first ok. In John 4:23-24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” How do you see God here?
JimMIssy,
Nice try to twist things around. Your treatment of Joseph Smith Jun. parallels how the Jews treated Jesus. Why consider pointing out the obvious as a strange thing? You are full to the brim with vitriol and contempt for him, as were the Jews for Jesus. As I recall, the 2nd amendment affords any citizen the right to bear arms. Since when is it a crime to have a gun when your life is in jeoparty? You delight in his blood being shed just as the Jews delighted in Jesus’ blood being shed.
I absolutely agree God is composed of spirit. Does that verse explicitly say that God is exclusively spirit and that He will never tabernacle Himself in flesh? If God does tabernacle in flesh then is not that person a God? This verse you quote does not impose such a limitation. You are reading things into that verse that are not said.
Do you imply that Jesus was not divine and therefore not Christ? If you say Jesus was Christ then you must accept that there is a viable way to understand that God can dwell in the flesh among mankind. Jesus is the perfect example of how Joseph Smith Jun. taught that God can be a being composed of flesh and blood. I worship Jesus Christ as my Lord and my God. Apparently you do not.
Also, you speak of a Trinity but your creeds say it cannot be understood. This is rubbish because the Bible clearly teaches about each of the three manifestations of Christ that represent the Eternal Godhead for a creation. When there is a new creation there is a new Godhead for that creation. It’s all in there plain as can be. Your creeds are what blind you from being able to understand the simplicity of the Bible.
Isaiah calls them the Stem, Rod and Branch from the Root of Jesse. Jesus was the Stem and the Rod becomes broken and dies a transgressor but the Branch overcomes and obtains the victory. Jesus taught in Luke 12 that He (Christ) had two more advents as Christ. This is God speaking. He said for people to beware and to watch closely because when He came again that He would come as a thief in the night. How is it you expect the Savior to return?
There is fingerprints of God everywhere we go. We have Space which is height, width and depth. Can’t have one without the other. Each one different but still space.
Time – which is made up of past, present and future. Each one different but still Time.
Matter – which is made up of solid, liquid and gas. Each one different but still Matter.
The Christian God – which is made up of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Father is God but He is not Son or Holy Spirit. Son is God but He is not Father or Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is God but He is not Son or Father. All three when separate, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is God, and when combined is GOD.
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No man has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him. John 1:18
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Do we have a contradiction? No… He saw the Glory of God like Moses. Not a body.
And he said, I beseech thee, show me thy glory. And He said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. And He said, thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me, and live. And the Lord said, behold there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock. And it shall come to pass while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by. And I will take away my hand and thou shalt see my back parts, but my face shall not be seen.’ Ex. 33:12-23.
Since God changes not and Moses could not see His Face then how could he change for the likes of Smith?
Jason, you say that you worship Jesus as your Lord and your God. This looks good at face value but remember your not seeing too well. I have to ask, do you see the Father as a god, Jesus as a god, The Holy Spirit as a god as three different god’s? If so then how can you worship Jesus as a god when the God say’s have no other god’s before me?
James 2:19:
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16:21 Here Jesus say’s the devils also believe and yet many still don’t believe that there is only one God.
Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:
“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”
In Exodus 20:3 we read, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
There is no other god’s except what man has made something into a god.
So if Jesus is a god and God say’s have no other god’s before me then you have sinned against God by worshipping another god.
TRI-UNITY — The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God’s creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.
We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.
Though these relationships seem paradoxical, and to some completely impossible, they are profoundly realistic, and their truth is ingrained deep in man’s nature. Thus, men have always sensed first the truth that God must be “out there,” everywhere present and the First Cause of all things, but they have corrupted this intuitive knowledge of the Father into pantheism and ultimately into naturalism.
Similarly, men have always felt the need to “see” God in terms of their own experience and understanding, but this knowledge that God must reveal Himself has been distorted into polytheism and idolatry.
Men have thus continually erected “models” of God, sometimes in the form of graven images, sometimes even in the form of philosophical systems purporting to represent ultimate reality.
Finally, men have always known that they should be able to have communion with their Creator and to experience His presence “within.” But this deep intuition of the Holy Spirit has been corrupted into various forms of false mysticism and fanaticism, and even into spiritism and demonism. Thus, the truth of God’s tri-unity is ingrained in man’s very nature, but he has often distorted it and substituted a false god in its place.
Smith could not of seen God the Father period. JimMissy
JimMissy,
You have yet to establish any substantiated impartial evidence of my inability to understand the Bible. You merely presume, assert and conclude based on your own subjective opinions.
I see that for each creation cycle there are three manifestations of Christ and that the ministries of these three beings compose into a single lifespan of God. They are real and personal beings who manifest the One God in the flesh. I could explain this in simple clarity but I will not do so because you presume I am incoherant.
You believe your creeds that these things are beyond the full understanding of men. You describe them in nebulous terms that reflect the double-mindedness of your creeds.
What men have always done is create his own yardstick to measure himself by. Men are quick to fashion the orthodox conception of God to suit his own interests. Thus, they persecute the servants sent of God to teach the truth about what God looks for as an acceptable offering. Man wants to rule himself and so he mysticizes God into something incomprehensible as a means to dismiss Him and His Law.
You are welcome to hold to your views rather than make a soberminded objective evaluation of something you obviously have never fully or sincerely considered before. I don’t need any references outside of the Bible to teach what I know either. But, you prefer to hold to the traditions of your fathers and the philosophies of men. Your reward will come from them.
Hi Jason,
While waiting for your response I will answer another of your concerns. (The Kingdom of God)
When God promised Abraham that his descendants would become great nations and that kings would come from him (Genesis 17:5-6), he was promising a kingdom of God. But it started small, like yeast hidden in a batch of dough, and it took hundreds of years to be seen for what it was.
Jesus said, after casting out demons, “If I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you” (Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20). The kingdom is here, he said, and the proof is in the exorcisms. This proof continues in the church today, because the church is doing even greater works than Jesus did (John 14:12). We can also say, “If we cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is working here.” The kingdom of God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, is continuing to demonstrate its authoritative power over the kingdom of Satan.
The kingdom is relevant not merely because it is our future reward, but also because it affects how we live and think in this age. We prepare for the future kingdom by living in it now, in accordance with our King’s teachings. As we live in faith, we recognize God’s rule as a present reality in our own experience, and we continue to hope in faith for a future time when the kingdom will be filled to the full, when the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord… … … JimMissy
Jason, You sure have a lot of questions. Great. Glad to see that you see God as Spirit. I can understand why you could think that God can be flesh. Which is true. Jesus is God. The Word became flesh, and lived among us. But God the Father is not Flesh, He is Spirit and He never Changes. That is God’s Word. Do you not accept what God say’s? JimMissy
Jason, You understand the Bible but you don’t see too good to really understand. You been drinking Smith’s concoction for a lot of years and most probably all your life that prevents you to see good. I don’t presume, I know you had too much to drink. Atheist’s see pink eleplants but don’t see God at all for lack of evidence. I hope your not gone this far. The evidence is there but to see it works better sober.
I give you the evidence that God is Spirit and that He never changes by His Word but you just stagger with God’s Word and prefer another drink and look for an excuse to take another drink and can’t see I gave you evidence. That’s terrible. Your a servant alright but for the wrong god. My God is Spirit and Truth and never changes. My Jesus I see is not Satan’s brother. I see Jesus as born of a Virgin. I see Jesus born in Bethehem not Jerusalem. I see Christ was the Son in His eternal relationship with the Father, not because He was born of Mary.
I share truth and you see traditions. Boy you sure drunk. Can you walk any further with anymore discussions? I hope so… … … JimMissy
JimMissy, Your interpretation does not harmonize with other explicitly clear implications from the words of Jesus Christ. He said He only does that which He has seen His Father do. His Father was the Savior and Redeemer of the previous Creation and now His Son is the Savior and Redeemer of this current Creation and He will become the Father of the next Creation, or as Revelation 21:1 puts it “a new heaven and a new earth”. He will sire it’s Savior and Redeemer and so on forever and ever. The work of God is a never ending round from Eternity to Eternity. Each Creation cycle has three advents of Christ as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is not at all difficult to understand if you refrain from mysticizing things and just take the Bible at its simple and literal face value. There is much metaphor, but it is explicitly and simply laid out in God’s Word itself. No outside inventions are required to fully comprehend the Godhead/Trinity. I not only accept what God says, I also know what God says. You comprehend it not, lest your deeds be reproved.
JimMissy, There is no proof in exorcisms. See Matthew 7. My comments added in [].
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [let alone walk it to its end]
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [who judge presumptuously and slur others with no evidence]
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [the grace only business is bunk]
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [works only is also bunk]
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew [commissioned] you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [This is the same manner that Adam 'knew' Eve to 'conceive' pure spiritual seed. He is saying they received their instructions from someone other than Him and that the 'seed' or converts they garnered are not of His seed.]
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
The proof that God looks for is those who actually do His will. Those who have an eye single to His glory look forward to having all evil in them reproved that they may sanctify themselves in all things. Those who hear authoritative words reproving men of their iniquity anger because they love not the light and are of the dark and comprehend not the things of God. They twist it into a jumble of mysticism so that they can remain in their sins. These are counted among the unbelieving who have not entered into the straight gate, regardless of their lip confessions and their many mighty works wrought in Jesus’ name, including the casting out of devils.
JimMissy, (Reply to #39)
I share Bible scriptures that expose your false interpretation and is all you can do is continue to slur me without a substantive basis. Remember, we are only supposed to be talking about the Bible here. I’m not bringing up scripture from the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants. And, I’m certainly not bringing up pink elephants and the like.
You are doing your best to cover me in the mud you sling but you may want to take pause and see that none of it sticks and that you are actually making a total fool of yourself. How about you answer why Jesus says He only does that which He already saw His Father do? This isn’t from me or from Joseph Smith. This is from the Gospel according to John.
I am delighted to carry on this Biblical dialog as long as you like. I would be even more delighted if when I show authoritative passages that expose your errors that you would receive the correction. Not from me, but from God’s Word. You might even be able to provide the same favor for me. I have been corrected in the past and I truly appreciate it. Being reproved of sin and error is a blessing, not something to be ashamed of.
The passage you put forward is not explicit that the Father has never had an advent in the flesh among men. As I see it, the passage I shared with you requires it. The very term ‘Father’ requires it. But, if you prefer the convoluted notions of your creeds that turn this into a complicated mystery no man can fully comprehend, you are certainly welcome to it.
Glad your ok and not passed-out on me.
You sent me alot of scripture from God’s Word. These passages talk about tree’s and evil fruit. Thats why your so drunk because Smith was full of evil fruit and Mormon’s swallowed this mess. Booze burns.
Interresting how Smith didn’t change these verses that you sent and you believe exactly what they say. But the heart of who God is, who Jesus is and who the Holy Spirit is, has been rejected to replace all different. When Smith went crazy enough to do this to the heart of the Bible and then shot at the people to stop the heart then I have no trust in Smith for my heart. I might look stupid but I’m not ignorant. My heart belongs to The Biblical Jesus.
Now to your question. “for whatsoever things the Father doeth, these doeth the son in like manner.” Something Jason can look good one way but if it contradicts God’s Word then it is wrong. Thanks for sharing and being honest with how you see. God is Spirit. and He changes not. (Malachai 3:6 NKJV) Thou Shalt have no other god’s before me. (Ex.20:3) Polytheism is what is in your sight which the Bible condemns. Even if you call it Henotheism, it’s still wrong. There might be a new Heaven and a new Earth but God the Father never changes. Have no other god’s before Him. Your belief in previous god’s contradicts God’s word. JimMissy
I rather be a fool for Jesus than to be a fool without Him. I’m peculiar also. Jesus one day will dry my tears so what you call me I forgive you. As I said Jesus spoke up to the Pharisees so I speak up to you. You complain about poor treatment should familiarize yourself with your teachers’ words.
John Taylor said . . .
“We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense…. Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, 1858, p. 167).
So your probably taught that anything I say is nonsense. Look at the hate. Look what your a part of. Smith could not of seen God the Father. Jesus speaks and says no man hath seen the Father nor can see yet you rebel against what Jesus said because Smith means more to you. I’m glad God allowed us to meet for I see how blind one can get.
I will make tracts that warn folks about 2 cults of Mormonism and Jehovah Witnesses and pass them out for as long as God allows me. I might not be able to help those who are caught into these cults but I can sure expose to folks whats hidden under sheeps clothing like the above.
I hate Satan for all this mess and I sure don’t hate you tho I hate the way you rebel from Christ to honor Smith. JimMissy
JimMissy,
Your slur is incoherent and irrelevant. I reject your false interpretation of the Godhead because it is not consistent with what the Bible teaches.
This Creation has One God who manifests in three advents of Christ. If you knew who the persons were then you would see that their ministries dovetail into one single divine lifespan. Jesus’ life representing the birth to age 12 and then a brief ministry at his early 30′s prior to His death, resurrection and ascension. The last life is the “prophet like unto Moses” whose ministry begins at age 40 and then goes to a ripe full age for a man. The remaining portion of the divine lifespan starts up at about age 13 and ends at about 39 with some periods of being locked up in prison to dovetail with Jesus’ brief ministry.
These three separate individuals function as God’s tabernacle for one single divine lifespan for this Creation cycle. Each Creation has its own Creator that is the Father of the next Creation’s Creator, and so on for eternity to eternity.
Each creation cycle has One God and only One God, but He is manifested in 3 persons. These are real persons, as Jesus was one of the three. These three persons are represented in the Day of Atonement in Leviticus 16. There are 3 animals that represent the sin offering for all the people. These are the same as what Isaiah calls the Stem, Rod and Branch.
Jesus on Day 4, the greater light to (future tense) rule the day, was the first goat slain as the Stem (which means stump). His bid to establish the political kingdom was stumped because the Jews rejected Him.
Man on Day 6 is Adam who is the Rod, which is a sprout from a stump, who falls and is broken. He is represented by the ram that is burned, which I understand means he was disembodied physically and spiritually. He lays the foundation of the new creation at the end of the old but it turns to darkness and must be redeemed. He is worse than stumped. He to goes as a lamb to the slaughter at the hands of traitors, but this time He dies a transgressor and has to be redeemed from hell (spiritual death). He is the stumbling block and “rock of offence” to the proud and stubborn. See Isaiah 57. He is the God figure and Jesus is the Savior figure when the scriptures refer to “God and His Christ”. Jesus is who saves the Rod from the depths of hell. The Kingdom of God and His Christ is realized upon God’s redemption from the pit of hell by His Savior.
The Branch on Day 1 is the “prophet like unto Moses” who comes at the beginning of the new creation and overcomes the Serpent and escapes alive into the wilderness. Because He now holds the keys of death and hell, having experienced and overcome them both, He performs the judgment of all souls by dividing the light from the dark. His judgment shall be just because He knows first hand what awaits those condemed to hell. He then rules over the Day while the Adversary rules over the Night. He is the tender branch that must grow up directly from the root out of dry ground because the stump with the sprout was burned to a crisp with only some roots remaining. All of our hope of salvation depends upon this Advent of Christ succeeding and us being able to recognize Him and believe in Him and follow Him.
All those who do not accept Christ in this advent, but who reject and refuse to hear Him, shall be “cut off” and become heirs of the Night and captive to the enemy of their soul. Only those who are filled with oil in their lamps and have not trampled pearls of wisdom under their feet shall know where the pearly gates of the Kingdom of God are to be found and be allowed to enter into concealment with their Husband while the tribulations thresh the chaff off the few who shall remain to be saved.
Only those who truly know God, meaning they can clearly identify all 3 of His advents, especially His advent as the Branch, are led to safety and become heirs of Eternal Life to be the seed stock of the entire new Creation He is the Head of. This is why it says it is Eternal Life to know the only true and living God. You must know all 3 advents of Christ to claim to truly know Him. To reject any one of them is to reject them all.
In Luke 12 Jesus says to be watchful so that when these two future advents take place that you will be prepared to open to Him immediately. He also warns you need to be prepared to be sat down to the table for some new meat to digest. If you persecute Him and/or His servants in His future advents, as the Jews persecuted Him, you shall be beaten with MANY STRIPES. So, you need to take some time for pause and consider that you are rejecting meat that Christ said would be given in the future. This is the very meat you claim has me drunk.
The Bible is really simple to understand. Eternal Life is not reached by the broad path of lip service to God with deference to the traditions and philosophies of men. It is reached by faith, true faith, that has a person willing to take Christ’s yoke upon themselves to sanctify themselves to do the Will of the Father, even if it may cost them their lives to hold true. God will not force this upon anyone. Force is the adversary’s plan.
We must choose of our own free will and choice to seek Him and His Righteousness with all our heart, might, mind and strength. Any other doctrine is a doctrine of men to please the carnal mind that merely leads to the deaths. Unless and until people truly do the will of the Father, the correct doctrine and understanding of His Word shall evade them as their minds will remain in darkness.
You say I believe in Polytheism when I simply understand the Godhead in childlike simplicity. You do not need to make this metaphysical or mystical. It is plain and simple. And, whether you think so or not, your eternal salvation hangs in the balance. If you do not sober up from the philosophies of men and the creeds of those who corrupted the early Christian church, they God will say to you, “I knew ye not, depart from me!”
JimMissy,
John Taylor specifically referred to modern orthodox Christianity, not Christ. I feel exactly as he feels because I too see how far away you and the rest of those who subscribe to the creeds of Christendom are from the pure Gospel that Jesus Christ and His Apostles taught. These creeds are not inspired and they are nothing but mysticism in the place of something that used to be very plain and simple.
Just as the Gospels prophesy, the “body of Christ” shall be delivered over to the Gentiles and be scourged, mocked and put to death by them. For 2,000 years the Gentiles say with their lips “Lord, Lord” but in the end they run over the cliff and drown in the sea (of confusion of man’s philosophies) because they trample pearls and rend those who bring them.
You can pass out your tracts until you are blue in the face. The day will come when you will be standing in the face of your tribunal and you will be counted as someone who has crucified Christ afresh because you, as the Jews, have raised your voice of assent to his going as a lamb to the slaughter in his advent as the Rod.
You glory in his suffering and you glory in his transgressions and in his fall. But, you shall see in due time that you have stumbled upon him because of your pride and your foolishness to judge him presumptuously. You shall be judged with the same judgment you have rendered upon him and you shall be left where he was saved from. He went there as a servant in the hands of Christ to obtain the keys so that those who truly deserve to be freed from there may be redeemed. You know not who you persecute and fight against.
Jason,
Christianity is a religion of history, crucifixion, resurrection, an empty tomb, etc., it is a religion rooted in reality. If it could be proven beyond doubt that Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is a false religion. Likewise, if it could be proven that Joseph Smith was a false prophet, then Mormonism is a false religion. It just so happens that there is such a proof. If you say, “I don’t care what evidence you show me, I will always believe,” then this faith is not rooted in reality.
Book of Abraham? When Joseph first gave his translation, hieroglyphics were undecipherable. Today they are. He was safe in saying anything he wanted to and there would be no way of proving him wrong. But with the resurfacing of the same papyri he used to do his Book of Abraham translation, and the fact that he did not in any way do it correctly, should be proof enough that Joseph Smith lied about his abilities from God. He has been shown to be a false prophet.
I know Jason Smith was a liar and there’s tons of proof but too many Mormons simply hurl insults with little reasoning behind them.
What have you done with Jesus? Is it He that you testify of most? Is it He that you love the most and serve (Matt. 4:19; Romans 16:18)? Or is He only a member of your church, an older brother, and someone who is there to help you testify to Mormonism? If that is what you believe, you are deceived.
Terrorist blow people up and sincerely believe God has virgins waiting for them as there reward. This is sick but nothing stops them. They hate Christianity like you do with sincerity and your reward is be a god. Ridiculous. Smith wanted Virgins now and couldn’t wait for God to reward him later. Nothing was going to stop him.
Missouri Governor Lilburn Boggs reacted by calling out 2,500 state militiamen to put down what he perceived open rebellion by the Mormons. LDS Church leaders were captured and the bulk of the LDS membership was forced to leave the state.
See “The Missouri Mormon War” documentation can be seen on-line at http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/findingaids/miscMormonRecords.asp?rec=doc
Im sadden to see this mess back in my State of Missouri again but Smith sure won’t be in Heaven. Thats a promise. Hallelujah.
Jason you failed miserably with God. Are you ready to discuss Jesus now? He’s my Saviour. He’s my best friend. He’s not Satans Brother. May I tell you how I met Jesus? JimMissy
Jesus I get excited to share about Him. Wow I love my Saviour. He’s my King. He’s my all and all. He is all truth.
Your past is all a lie, your future reaps the same. All we share will echo through-out eternity as you are an intruder into Satan’s territory if you continue to honor a liar over Jesus. Your eternal question burns forever, Why Did I Choose To Hate Christainity So Bad. I can answer that question because you did what Smith did by focusing on sticky thorns that is in every Christian church and then everybody got condemned like Satan wants. He’s our enemy, not each of us to each other. I’m not perfect just forgiven. It’s not what I done but what Jesus done that counts. If you have the Right Jesus then you will be Right for all eternity, but the wrong one is not good.
The lying Smith stuck his lying face in a hat that his lying face could not be seen. Then I saw where the Mormon Church got an artist and a picture of lying Smith was made with him sitting at a table translating these concocted plates without any hat. Oh he was made to look so holy. What a nasty lying thing to do to honor a liar. Jesus would of said the same thing, What a nasty lying thing to do. JimMissy
JimMissy,
You would behave yourself much differently here if you loved your Savior and revered Him as your King. You would not mock the real Kingdom He told you to look for the coming of. I do not honor who you allege is a liar over Jesus. I honor what Jesus accomplished through his instrumentality to restore the fulness and purity of His original Gospel as well as the keys of the Kingdom that were dispensed to him, the same as they were to Adam of old. Sadly the Mormons have not done much better to keep, honor and preserve what they were given, and for that they shall pay a very dear price. But, the time will come when all those who keep in the straight and narrow way of doing the Father’s will shall become recipients of Eternal Life in the Kingdom of God that shall be cleansed in the ‘restitution of all things’ to come. Christians, who are represented by the ‘fish of the sea given the breath of life’, will not be there. How do I know? Because there is no more sea for them to swim in and they die for thirst of it. (Rev 21:1 & Isaiah 50:1-2) All who remain in the waters of Babylon shall perish with their mother the whore. You put your faith in the ‘waters’ but they are not the ‘waters of life’, they are the traditions of men and you build up men ruling over men and reject the kingdom. (Rev 17:15) You are Gentiles and you scourge, mock and crucify Christ afresh because you enjoy fornication with the whore of the earth. Your reward shall be from men as you reject what God offered you. If you truly wanted to do the will of the Father you would have eyes to read in the Bible what it says about you, but you are doing as the Jews did of old and rejecting the Kingdom. They claimed the approbation of Moses just as you claim the approbation of Jesus. You know neither. You read passages that pertain to people who were faithful to hold to the pure truth of the Gospel at the cost of being tortured and martyred but now you have perverted the Gospel into something that fills stadiums of people looking at the Gospel as a way have more delicious fornication in this world instead of being the salt of the earth and truly preparing souls to accept the Kingdom. You are the Kingdom’s worst enemies other than the ones who are tares who are inside it that seek to choke it out. It is because I love those in the waters of Christianity that I say what I say. God’s Word is very clear that if they do not evolve from being fish and become men of God that the time comes when their period of grace shall expire, just as Paul warned, and they die in their high-mindedness and are “cut off” when the deliverer of Zion (the LDS restoration currently in shambles) comes to clean the mess up and redeem the “natural branches” of Israel. Romans 1 applies to what is happening in the last 200 years and Romans 11 is the “big picture” you need to pay very close attention to that says how the waters of Babylon shall dry up. 2 Thessalonians 2 applies to what is shortly to come to address the LDS falling away from what they were originally given. It is a time for all to repent and seek God with all your heart, might, mind and strength and to put off the philosophies of men. I can assure you, you have a very long ways to go to enter the gate of the straight and narrow path that leads to Eternal Life. Few find that path and fewer still actually take it to its end and receive their crown. You call me a drunk but fail to see how is all you do is stumble around spouting out baseless slur against me and Joseph Smith Jun. and blather out your lip service platitudes to Christ. Who you are is a repulsive mockery to my Savior and my Friend.
O Jason,
Again you say much about your own works to be your own Saviour and not much about Jesus saving. You couldn’t save a fly and neither can I by our own works. When I came to Jesus He saved all of me, not just a part of me. I couldn’t do nothing to save myself and thats what He was waiting to hear. Jesus say’s come all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. I have that rest with total peace just like He said and I don’t carry no load that I have to work to be saved. Just witnessing to share God’s Love. Jesus say’s when I am free I am free indeed. Indeed I am free.
But you are not free. Your too busy working to earn Salvation like what Jesus done on the cross wasn’t enough for special ones like you. Your flesh same as me so since I can’t save myself what makes you think your any better than me? All your going to hear is Jesus saying, go away, I never knew you. He said this because many has found their own made-up Jesus who couldn’t save a fly.
At one time death was trying to close my eyes because I couldn’t handle losing a wife and I turned to drugs. Stupid I know but by Jesus mercy He pulled me through. For three days I was out and on the last day I had a dream that I was as in darkness and I saw this beautiful Lily there. The voices of the World saying, Your Too Stupid To Grasp This Lily. So I said I’ll show you and I reach and I stretched till my hands was around the Lily. I thought World I’m gonna do this. But when I went to embrace then my hands went right through the Lily and I couldn’t embrace. I couldn’t understand at all. I held my head down and spoke, I guess the World was right, I cannot grasp in my own strength. Then Jesus spoke to heart and said, “Exactly” Then by faith what Jesus done on the Cross I was saved. Jesus found me and back home I awoke. Thats how I know that one day I’ll be Home when death closes my eyes in these last days that are upon us. For no man will pluck my out of His hands. Thats my Jesus Promise.
I know He has promised never to leave or forsake me and He hasn’t no matter how you condemn Him of being so much less. He is not the brother of Satan at all. Satan turned mean but Jesus can never turn mean or has ever has been mean. Maybe you don’t care and think He’s only Satans brother but He’s much more to me and nothing at all like Satan and you will never make Him less to me. All you know is a made up Jesus that don’t exsist so why look less at the one who does exsist and condemning others who has the real Jesus? JimMissy
JimMissy,
Again you twist my words and continue in your baseless slur. Jesus also says to take His yoke but you think somehow that diminishes Him that we actually have a heart and mind desirous to keep His Commandments and advocate doing such and warn against not doing such. To you the Kingdom is the false peace that comes from a false salvation that will be shown to be a lie because you use His precious offering as a license to continue in sin. According to the Apostle Paul, the result of that is perdition. I am busy doing what my Lord and Savior has asked me to do, which is to call out to all to repent and come and build up the Kingdom in truth and righteousness. It is to establish a true political order as this nation used to have, which is all were sovereign citizens under God. What Christianity has done to this nation is nothing less than Eve’s succumbing to partake of the forbidden fruit. We are now a nation that makes up its own rules about what is right and wrong instead of following the Constitution that Jesus Christ established by the hand of wise men inspired of Him. Christianity now shakes in their boots about the alleged threat of Islam but what they really need to shake in their boots about is the fact that they have rejected the God of this land and the God of this Country. Because we have chosen to walk contrary to Him, He is now going to walk contrary to us. You may want to read this article I posted here: http://jwharton.blogtownhall.com/2010/05/10/what_does_illegal_immigration,_socialism_and_modern_christianity_have_in_common.thtml
What I know is the Bible and according to it you are going to be among those who He says: Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!
Jason,
Not good to condemn what Jesus gave to me as slop. You have done the unpardonable Sin and have blasphemy the Holy Spirit which will never be forgiven. I feel sorry for you. I won’t cast another pearl to you… God have mercy on you… Byeeee JimMissy
JimMissy,
I condemn your interpretation of it because the way you take it crucifies Him afresh. You either truly believe in Him and are faithful to keep all of His commandments and repent when you fall short or you are a hypocrite and a mockery and heading for perdition. He is the Husband and those in a covenant with Him are the Bride. Just as ancient Israel was put away for being an unfaithful wife, so too will the Gentiles be cut off if they are unfaithful to Him. Read Romans chapter 11. The time for the period of grace extended to the Gentiels is over as of this year. Your remaining time to get with the program of the true Zion is nearly expired. That goes for those who claim to be in Zion and are also an enemy to it.
You have not cast a single pearl that I can see, unless that’s what you consider all of your baseless slur. You are incapable of having an intelligent Biblical discussion and so it is likely in your best interest to quit exposing yourself for what you are.
Bye,
Jason
To All,
As you see folks this Mormonism is just another cult. Thinking that they are the only people in the World that will be in Heaven. All cults think this way. Even when I brought up to Jason that the book of Abraham was proven false, he had no comment. Joseph Smith’s translation was proven false and therefore Mormonism false. These burial papers that Smith had from the Mummys Coffin was proven to be only prayers for an Egyptian Priest to enter Heaven. Not one word about Abraham was found. Smith is a proven Liar. Many might not see this truth but if even if just one does then it was worth it all.
Sheep head for higher ground when Antichrist Mormonism thunders like Jason. See I stood up to him with the Bibical Jesus and if I can, you can also. Don’t let people like this scare you. Whats scarely is that if you can’t get out. Only Pigs stay in Smiths mud. Remember mud spelled backwards is dum.
Talk to Jesus if you had enough of the Pigs Pen and be His sheep. He can wash you as white as snow. I’m here to encourage and help also. But if you choose not to, then ok. nothing more I can do for you as I have learn this from Jason’s hate.
God Bless from JimMissy
JimMissy,
The Jews thought Jesus was just a cult leader too.
Jesus said to pray for the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth and to prepare to enter into it when it comes. The whole point of the Gospel was to prepare people for the Kingdom. However, you have adopted a different Gospel. You imply people should immediately reject anyone who claims this Kingdom has come. Since when did Jesus repeal the core of His Gospel?
Before you deride any for claiming the Kingdom has come, you first should make a sincere and objective investigation to evaluate their claims. As far as I can tell, you have not done such. You appear to me to have presumed it, or any other, is false and you think you do God a favor by fighting against them. You would do well to consider the advice Gamaliel gave to his brethren of the Pharisees, “lest haply ye be found even to fight against God”. (Acts 5)
Your opinion on the Book of Abraham is based upon the arm of flesh. If you want to consider the men who hold the views they do as a reliable source then help yourself. As for me, their arguments are not conclusive. Joseph Smith Jun. had the gift of seership and could understand things others could not. Abraham is the father of all major religions and significantly impacted Egypt’s religions. I base my opinion of the Book of Abraham on the merits of what he as a seer translated from it rather than all the incidental details and the opinions of men surrounding it. As I read it, it contains very helpful keys to read the creation account for what it is literally about rather than getting lost thinking the metaphors are the reality.
What you call standing up to me is a mockery of the Biblical Jesus. Your first two sentences here demonstrate you have no regard for what Jesus asked you to pray for the coming of. You are who postures himself as anti-Christ because you are denouncing the potential validity of something upon a premise that directly contradicts what Jesus said we should all be looking for the fulfilment of. Do you suppose when the Kingdom does come that it should be ashamedly apologetic about it or teach the truth with boldness and passion as Paul did? I know the truth of the things I speak and I am the least bit ashamed to proclaim them to all.
Read Romans chapter 1. It is all about what happened in the days of Adam of old when the foundation of this creation we are now in the death throws of was laid. His Christ came to him in a time of darkness when nobody on earth had the full light in them. But, the time had come for man to be brought to life again and so Christ breathed into Adam the “breath of life” and made of him a living soul. What is this? The very thing Jesus did for His disciples as recorded in John 20:22. He gave them their baptism of fire, which is the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This process takes a man who was dead and gives him “life”.
In this manner was our Father quickened and given life and thus represents the first “living” man on this earth of this creation. There has never been a need to argue with scientists and historians about the creation account in our Bibles. If Christians knew how to read it, they would understand what it means when it says Jesus has the words of “life”. It means He knenw how to read the Bible as I am suggesting here that it should be read. I do so because I know for a fact that this is also how Joseph Smith Jun. understands the words of “life”. This is the well from which he drew to obtain his knowledge from because he too was visited of his Christ and given the “breath of life” just as Adam of old.
People would also be able to see that a new foundation for a new creation is being laid right now, but they prefer the confusion and darkness of their sectarian creeds because they do not wish to be reproved of their evil deeds and actually have the responsibility to live up to the terms of the covenant that God requires for people to worthily enter in.
People like you prefer to twist the Gospel into something that allows them to reject their Father who has been given dominion by His Christ. I speak of what Revelation refers to as the Kingdom of God and His Christ. While they hear a plain and clear witness of these things, they prefer to hold the truth as being unrighteousness and bring upon themselves strong delusion and a reprobate mind.
I was not speaking idly when I claimed Jesus as my Lord and my Savior and my Friend.
The words of “life” are not in you JimMissy.
You would do well to heed the advice of Gamaliel.
Jason you are strong with intellect and I hate Satan for blinding you so. My heart aches. Our nation taking out “In God we Trust” Our leaders are giving our nation away to Mohammed worshipers. Atheist and ACLU war to Pervert God and honor homosexuals. Cults like Jehovah Witnesses carry a message that Jesus is Michael the Archangel while Mormons Satans Brother. Catholics pray to images and with tradition Penticostal churches honors tongues the most when they’re written the least. I seen it all Jason in these last days are upon us.
Every belief here fights to protect what they believe while God is tore apart and made into something He is not. Please excuse me Jason as I close our discussions. Is it that as you continue sending me messages that you only want me to get mad and fall to pieces so you can look like your suffering for righteousness sake and use this to push all you can in the Pigs Pen. You done shown me that your no better than all who war to distroy God like the others. Thats enough ok… JimMissy
JimMissy,
I’m not sharing what I claim as my intellect here. I’m sharing what I see as God’s intellect shining forth from His Holy Word. If you can see a better way to understand the passages I am referencing then you are more than welcome to weigh in. I’ll give you the same level of consideration that I hope others will give to me. This is the Golden Rule and I’ve found that it truly is inspired.
If I say something you disagree with and I have not shared the references I use for that idea then ask me for the references. I do my very best to only say what has authoritative support. Otherwise, I won’t speak with confidence but will say I am sharing a personal thought or idea.
Jesus says we should love our enemies and I believe that includes Satan. The reason is because he is our adversary who has the right to buffet us when we are an enemy to God. He cannot do anything that God does not see fit to allow him to do. Thus, in this respect, he has a divine purpose and mission that is important to our salvation as well. It is thanks to the opposition he renders that we have a need and a desire to feel our way back to our loving Father in Heaven. He gives us the basis from which to taste the bitter so that we will prize the good and not take it for granted.
I sorrow for him because he is in a very confused and dark place and fomenting things I would not want to ever have a moment’s reflection on as my own responsibility when the horrendous suffering he causes can only be glimpsed by us. He shall forever know he was the means of wreaking such pain, sorrow, death and destruction. He will never be able to have a tender soul love him truly and deeply without fear. He will only ever be able to enjoy that which he can forcefully acquire against the will of others. Nobody will freely give anything to him because they genuinely love and appreciate him. Anyone who comes near him will be suspected of being envious of his power and seeking to tear him down and replace him. Nobody in his realm follows any rules, except for one, do as thou wilt. When he looks at his wife, he does not see a chaste and virtuous woman but an object to be used and abused and he thinks she is just there with him in the same mode. It is a sick realm where evil is good and good is evil. They are there simply for the reason that they do not love and there is no truth in them. Thus, if we hate, we are on the path to join them. Rather, let us follow the example of our Savior and love all in our hearts. We may have to take their life in order to defend our own, but it need not be done in hate.
To my knowledge those who consider themselves Muslim do not worship Muhamed. They consider him one of many authorized/inspired messengers of Allah, who is the One God. Abraham’s God. They worship only Allah. They recognize Jesus as Messiah, but in a way that Christians do not understand or seem to care to because Muslims understand Christianity is making a mockery of God. Because Muslims view Christianity as infidel, the Christians look for reasons to discount, slur and dismiss them rather than carefully discern Allah’s message for what it was. Muslims recognize that the Kingdom was not to come in the time of Jesus, which Jesus himself affirmed. Even at Muhamed’s day it was still seen as a future event. Thus, they yet await the advent of King-Messiah when the Kingdom of God is established in power and have as much, if not more, intent to submit to its dominion than Christians do.
The wrath you mention that the Gentiles (Christians/Mormons) are suffering today would not be coming upon them if they had not perverted the pure Gospel from what God originally gave them into what it is right now. What more can God do to get their attention where their perversions of His Gospel are concerned, after they reject His authorized ministers call to repentance, than to just go ahead and give them the physical manifestation of their perversions?
They have rejected, persecuted and nearly totally destroyed the Kingdom that was offered to them. It is now infested with tares and the little wheat that remains is suffocating in bondage. Zion is in desperate need of deliverance and it is thanks to people like you who have focused their lives to fight against it thinking their immoral and unlawful means justify the end. You are going to have to account to Jesus Christ for your actions here to participate in this. Fortunately for you, you are under less condemnation than those who entered in and have corrupted it from within. You might even be somewhat blessed for helping many tares to come out of it.
The foundation of physical homosexuality has its roots in orthodox Christianity’s spiritual homosexuality. Paul said women should hold their peace in church and if they desired to learn anything that they should be in submission to their husbands and learn from him in the privacy of their own home. Nowadays, most Christians think nothing of going to a church and having a woman get up in front of the congregation and speak the Word with the same authority and consideration as a man.
So, despite what Paul taught in what Christians claim to be the inerrant Word of God, modern Christianity gives women the place of emitting spiritual word-seed as if she were a man who emits physical flesh-seed. When they consider how perverse the misuse of the physical flesh-seed in homosexuality appears to them, this will allow them to see how God views their perversions in how they now misuse the spiritual word-seed.
That is why homosexuality is listed in Romans chapter 1. This is just one of many of orthodox Christianity’s perversions of the pure Gospel being manifested to them by what they are being caused to suffer. Things have not even heated up much yet either. God’s wrath truly is upon them and they are accursed for perverting the pure Gospel. Rather than try and forcibly correct physical homosexuals, they should take a good hard look at their own spiritual homosexuality and repent of it.
Did you carefully read the article on Illegal Immigration and Socialism at my Townhall Blog site?
God is giving Christianity in physical form what their spiritual ideologies have laid the foundation for. The repentance I call for is for people to dispense with the corruptions to what Jesus and His Apostles taught and to do as I plead in the prayer I conclude with. If you do so, I know you will come to know and love your Savior more than ever and marvel at the majesty of God’s wisdom and grace as well as his justice.
If you would like this to be my final reply to you, I am willing to honor that request. But, if you keep prattling on as if to make your orthodox Christian buddies have something to “tee-hee” about, then I’ll just continue to swat your nonsense down. We could also actually start to have a mutually respectful discussion about Bible as well.
With all due respect,
Jason
No Jason, Your love for Satan and to pity him means nothing to Satan. He already said you will be like God and you embraced this and then reduced God to flesh and honored Satan by calling him Jesus brother. There is no love in him to feel pity and all your prayers for him is kicked out of Heaven like Satan was kicked out. When you face God and say, here I am lord, I’m ready to be a god. You also will be kicked out for loving Satan at all and embracing you will be a god when there is no other god but God. And if you wear protective underwear this will not stop the flames that burns this foolish attempt. O foolish Jason. The more you speak the more Satan you sound. I don’t want to hear the sound of teeth gashing as you talk and this is the most reason I like our discussions to stop. I am God’s Sheep who hates Satan’s teeth. … JimMissy
JimMissy,
Jesus said to love my enemies. Do you know any passage excluding the adversary? Not even the great archangel Michael would judge the adversary. See the book of Jude. I believe God alone is who shall judge and condemn him. It says the heavens wept over the fall of the Son of the Morning. He was a very powerful Son of God, indeed a spiritual brother to our Savior, who is not a force to tinker with lightly. I am sure I was among those weeping for him when he fell from heaven.
I am seeing the pattern repeat now in this time as well and I shall weep again as the “man of sin” is removed from his place of high standing in God’s church. If you hate him, as you have confessed you do, you are choosing to not believe in and trust your Savior. This kind of disobedience is what led up to Lucifer’s fall. Thus, you may want to consider you are heading in his tracks. Also, Cain and Abel were brothers. Why is it so hard for you to conceptualize how Lucifer and Jesus were also brothers? Do you even know what it means to be a Son of the Morning? Both Jesus and Lucifer were such, that makes them brothers.
I don’t recall saying I pray for him or that I embrace him so why inject that? Putting words in someone’s mouth they didn’t say and then condemning them for it is a very unethical way to communicate. You obviously have not read my article at my Townhall blog. I pray to the Father on behalf of those of us who sincerely wish to overcome all things that we will be able to be freed from the power of the adversary.
As pertaining to man becoming a god. There are two ways to look at this.
The first way is for men to have complete faith in and obedience to the laws of God and by so doing become a joint-heir with Christ in the Kingdom of God. In this manner men become sovereigns under God’s Law in His Kingdom. Thus, we live lives in a godly manner which is the meaning of the gift of Eternal Life. This is the manner of man becoming like God that Joseph Smith Jun. advocated because it is plainly taught in the Bible.
The second way is for men to have complete faith in and obedience to laws of their own making without complete deference to God and His Laws. They put themselves in the position of being their own god and start to determine what is good and evil on their own. In this process they actually become adversaries to God. They view their freedom to do as they please as attaining a state of godhood. Some even use Jesus as a stepping stone and take the atonement as a means to become a law unto themselves. This is Perdition that Paul clearly teaches about.
Thus, the way to determine whether someone is is under the influence of the adversary is to see what they promote. I promote to love all in a wise manner but you promote hate and baselessly accuse others of hate. I promote very careful attention to God’s Word and a totally dedicated heart and mind to DO the will of the Father. You say this is dirty rags to think our righteousness can amount to anything.
Garments have a sacred place in the ordinances even in ancient times. You would do well not to mock them. Speaking about hell fire, Jesus also had something to say about calling your brother a fool. He said not to do that. You are welcome to contend for the faith and expose foolish ideas with God’s Word, but it is to be done with love using sharpness when moved upon by the Spirit. When you attack the person and not the ideas, this is a manifestation of hate.
What you do not like is the fact that I point out from holy writ where you are at odds with what your Savior has taught for you to do. If you were in God’s flock you would be faithful to do as His Voice calls you to do. At this point I cannot see you doing much of anything but giving Him lip service while you spew out hatred for Joseph Smith Jun. and I. All the vectors I see coming from you suggest you do not wish to have your evil deeds reproven and you resist sound doctrine.
When you finally come to the point of realizing God is drying up your sea, you will know I did everything I could to help you acquire lungs suitable to receive the “breath of life” and that I did truly love you in my efforts.
Jason,
To not include Satan with prayer now increases my knowledge. Those I love I pray for and since you love Satan “and I don’t”, forgive for thinking you pray for your loved ones.
Through-out many years Mormons are well known along with Jehovah Witnesses to change errors and act like they never exsisted. So I’m not afraid of your threats Jason, Mormons what they see one day will be changed the next. The reformed latter day saints broke off much from this deceitfulness that you fail to see. But both still are very much wrong.
Satan is created and like the world you war to change God into something He is not from Jesus being God to a god like the cult Jehovah Witnesses walk to do also.
Like I said I’m not perfect so please forgive me for calling you a fool, ok…. I’m not your Father and I don’t want to make Him less and act like a Mormon…. Sorry. … JimMissy
JimMissy,
You said I said I pray for Satan and I don’t recall saying that anywhere. What I did say is I leave judgment of him wholly up to God.
I pray for those who seek truth and light who are yet in their probationary state and are yet subject to be influenced for good or for evil. I consider Satan is already passed his probationary state. I have not in the past ever felt any prompting from the Holy Spirit to request any blessings on his behalf. I do not anticipate that day will ever come.
You think you have increased your knowledge of me but all you have done is put words in my mouth I didn’t say and then made some rash presumptions as your best effort to find some mud that just might stick this time. Again, the mud simply falls off and I stand clean of your baseless slur.
You are correct that Mormonism has become polluted compared to what it was originally given to be. There have been many changes to things that qualify as the “falling away” that Paul speaks of in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. This passage pertains to a time when the Church will “fall away” so far that its leader will actually be in full opposition to God’s Kingdom via lies he shall work with miraculous means to deceive the very elect. God allows this to happen to punish those who love not the truth but instead want the lie that the adversary offers. Most Mormons of today are in dire spiritual danger and they do not fully realize it.
This is why I say those who have crept within that caused these pollutions shall stand in greater condemnation than people like you who remain spiritual zombies on the outside and merely persecute all those “living” on the inside. Both wheat and tares live INSIDE the Church, just as Jesus said they would. The tares think they have the kernel of wheat but are actually choking it out via unrighteous and unlawful excommunications.
The unpardonable sin you mentioned earlier is when a person has the “Gift of the Holy Ghost”, which is bestowed upon entry into the church, denied them via excommunication when they are innocent of breaking any law to merit such. This removes from them their “breath of life” and is spiritual murder.
Because of committing this spiritual murder, like Cain did to Abel, these shall be turned over entirely to the adversary and become his quarry. Their physical resurrection in the new creation to come shall be in the new Cain’s cursed lineage. There are likely many Mormons who would think I should be excommunicated for teaching this. They best beware and make real sure they are not acting with Cain’s spirit or he will become their father for eternity. At some point the Bride is going to wake up and open her eyes and exclaim “I know thee now!” She will send him and all his pollutions and all those who hold to him down the road.
This time of great pollution in the Church before it is cleansed and redeemed is when Jesus said (paraphrasing) to His Saints, “If you seek to save your “life” thinking to gain the world you will lose your “life”, but if you willingly lose your “life” for the Gospel’s sake then you shall retain your “life” in the “world to come” and be raised up unto Eternal Life.” So, if I am ever excommunicated unlawfully for teaching the truth of the fulness of His Gospel, my Eternal Life is assured!
So, the conclusion here is, you are right that some Mormons are heading into the worst possible condemnation that God makes available. He says this in D&C 41:1-5. Your concern for them is definitely in order. Being a Mormon is very high stakes spiritual hardball because there are indeed many deceptions surrounding it at this time with extremely dire eternal consequences.
This is in fact the path that Satan went through in the previous Creation in order to receive the level of condemnation that he is now in. He was at one time Lucifer who was a Son of the Morning (the most exalted resurrection in a Creation cycle) that was in a position of high authority but who lost his footing and found himself wishing to dethrone the rightful heir and taking the glory of the Father to himself in order to implement a plan he thought was superior to the Father’s, a plan that would guarantee everyone’s salvation, so he claimed.
When Lucifer was cast down from heaven (being a governing one) to earth (to having no authority) he raged in anger and vowed to continue his fight against the Father and His Son, or as Revelation says “God and His Christ”. The “man of sin” or “Son of Perdition” comes from the rank and file of Jesus Christ’s Church. Since this happens to be the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (His Bride, the Mother of all Living, etc.), this is where and how the Satan for the next Creation cycle is created. You likely did not know how God created Satan but the Bible clearly tells us how and now you know some bits and pieces of it.
Despite the dig you apparently couldn’t resist embedding in your apology, I appreciate your apology for calling me a fool and I receive it warmly. You are forgiven.
Jason,
I Put words in your mouth? You don’t like stuff like this? It stinks, I agree. Yet it’s ok to you when Smith put words in Gods mouth that destroys who God is and you hunker down like a chicken and let him get away with it and promote it while looking down at Christians for believing the way God spelled it out to all. Satan believes theres one God and see’s better than you. Your very smart and how you can be so tricked like this is beyond me. God the Father cannot be seen like Jesus said and you believe a troublemaking, lying, man killing, Antichrist that He can be seen. I think you know that Smith was nothing what Mormons project Him to be. Let them sing songs to this Smith like he’s so special. He hasn’t fooled as many as people as I thought. Having the right Jesus your right for eternity. Wrong Jesus then wrong for all eternity.
You feel that you would believe the same without Smith’s injection but thats hard for me to swallow. How can you teach only from the Bible when your stained with a troublemaking, lying, man killing Antichrist? I have no confidence in Mormonism because they are whitewashed but not washed white. Before passing out Stagger to the true Jesus and get your self a bath and maybe we can both walk as God would bless. Angels would rejoice in Heaven and poof goes all these sounds of gashing teeth. ok… JimMissy
JimMissy,
I’ll consider your acknowledgment the same as an apology.
God is who puts words into His Prophet’s mouths. The only thing this destroys is the philosophies of men that have crept in and corrupted the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ that Paul marvelled they were removed from so soon, even in the days of living apostles.
I have looked at Mormonism objectively. I moved out on my own at 17 years old and was willing to toss it off. I built my faith with the conviction that whatever I believed all had to be 100% Biblically supported. The only way the Bible makes complete and total sense as a seamless garment of truth is to read it the way I know that Joseph Smith Jun. also understood it. His understanding of the Bible was flawless because he understood the seer’s tongue it was written in. I would have to consider the Bible a worthless scrap of parchment to throw Joseph Smith Jun. under the bus. The Bible prophesies in precise detail the coming forth of all that he accomplished. Some day perhaps I will write a book because I am aware of many things in this regard that I know of nobody else who sees or understands them.
You mean to tell me orthodox Christians are a representation of believing the Bible the way God spelled it out to all? If so, answer me this: Why aren’t Christian women silent in church and submissive to their husbands?
God says one faith and one baptism. He said there are to be prophets and apostles so the body of saints can come to a unity of faith, yet look at the complete tangled mess of confusion Christianity has made of things and how they immediately fight against and reject the foundation Christ has given them. It is a complete mockery of what the Bible says it should have become. God brought them His Kingdom but look what an awful mess they are making with it. I am speaking of America as well as the restoration of the priesthood.
I know Joseph Smith Jun. quite well and your rants and tirades do nothing to sum up the heart and mind of the man. He was one of the finest men this world has had to walk among them. You hate him for the same reason the Jews hated Jesus. Sadly, the Mormons are going to hate the King-Messiah yet to come for the same reasons as well. It’s part of human nature that could be overcome if they actually believed in their Savior and kept His commandments.
Jason,
I don’t hate Smith but I sure hate his lying blasphemerous mouth which you rattle the same and sing glory to its name. Like I said man has done enough, its what Christ has done that counts.
Theres things in every church I don’t like and girls not quiet is one of them but girls should speak up when their leader leads them to bed and preach Hell Fire no. If she scearmed you would still probably preach to shut her mouth for the love of Smith.
You have no backbone for God like you think you do. If you did you would stand up for Jesus and quit falling for anything. Girls speak up today and not falling for anything and I’m proud of them. Girls are stronger today for God’s love than you are and have a good backbone. Smith traded his backbone for a wishbone.
So Bragg about Smith puny man. Continue to degrade all but yourself. Its your choice. but I’m not taking my spiritual clothes off that God gave me no matter how much you blow and go. … JimMissy
JimMissy,
Christians believe there are three personages in the Trinity but they only recognize one of them. The Bible clearly teaches about the other two advents of Christ but you deny them. You prefer to stick to the traditions of your fathers and the philosophies of men. Your reward shall come from them.
You again try and throw mud and it still doesn’t stick. Paul is very clear on the matter. Woman should be in submission to her husband or her father if she is unmarried. If a woman is in an abusive situation then there are officers of the law to bring such men to justice and I certainly would not deny her such. In the case of an emergency, even at church, that certainly calls for a different set of rules. I would deny no woman her right to plea for help if she was in need. There is the principle of adoption and provisions for divorce if she is in an abusive relationship. God’s laws are both just and merciful when properly understood. I do not advocate irrationality as you are attempting to project, nor would Joseph Smith Jun.
You are proud of women who are in open rebellion against the patriarchal structure the Gospel of Jesus Christ is built upon that His apostles established in the foundation. You are relishing in the temporary glory of the world to support spiritual homosexuality that some Christians even now receive when they advocate the plight of physical homosexuals, including their lifestyle. Like them, you pat yourself on the back supposing yourself as being charitable and loving. Is it love to honor and encourage people to remain in rebellion to God’s proper order of things?
If you had a backbone you would actually carefully read God’s Word, believe what it says, and then like me speak frankly and openly about where people are destroying their hopes of a glorious future by behaving unlawfully where it matters most. But, like most people, you value the approbation of the world more than you want the approbation of God. You fail to believe that God’s ways are higher and better than man’s ways. It is you who takes the things of God and reduce them to corruptible things of men and glory in them.
Jason,
I admire your persistence. Jesus called em whitewashed sepulchres which Pharisee’s saw mud also.
Thanks for showing you’d would do better than Smith for the girls because he sure would of preached there pants off.
Here’s where you been deceived when you know less than Satan who knows there’s one God and trembles. Smith brings in other god’s which is Bibical condemned. (Remember Deuteronomy 13: 1-4) What Smith done here by saying he saw God the Father is the point where many miss Heaven for their belief in such contradiction of the Bible.
Jesus is not a god and the Father a god and the Holy Spirit a god. This makes three god’s. God say’s ye shall not have other god’s before Him so if you worship Jesus you broke His commandment.
Jesus is equally God as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and each all equal from all eternity to eternity. If you seen one you seen the other. Thats what makes these three persons as one God and there is no other God. Their positions and names are different in the Godhead but all is one God.
God is Spirit and He changes not, just like His Word say’s. He is not flesh and a god that can be seen of any man just like Jesus said. Thats why Jesus said those who hath seen me has seen the Father. Is your heart so hardened that this been said bounces off?
How can I deny God when all three equals one God? Impossible, then look at the sun and its three primary colors that we see one light which brings colors to the Earth. Here’s a fingerprint of God that you call Christianity news from hell. (Not Good)
You and Satan accuse me falsely because you know not the one true God. Your god is not my God… JimMissy
JimMissy,
Joseph Smith simply taught the clarity of the Godhead and made some things that Christianity had lost become plain and simple. I have shared plenty of pearls for you to consider and feel no inclination to share any more. You have denied and mocked the advent of Christ that Jesus said for you to look for. He appeared to Joseph Smith Jun. and that which was done through him is definitely valid. You place your soul in peril to fight against the foundation Joseph Smith laid under Jesus Christ’s direction. But, when you stand before you judge I will be perfectly willing to stand and give witness that I testified to you that these things are true. If you were actually willing to ruminate upon what I have shared instead of trampling it under your feet, there might be hope for you. But, as Paul warned you against, you think God will never “cut off” the Gentiles, even though what you have built up is a tangle of confusion and a spiritual whoredom against His pure Gospel that the apostles of old tried to establish. When you are fre falling over the cliff and drowning in the sea, my words shall echo in your ears and then you will know I tried. You shall have no excuses.
Why don’t LDS understand the Book of Hebrews (either the priesthood or faith)?
Ann, Mormon’s can’t even understand that there is only one God so how can you expect any right answers from them since they missed the most important one?
The idea that there is only one God is a matter of interpretation and opinion for anyone who relies exclusively on the Bible. Is there only one God that we’re all supposed to worship and pay attention to? Yes. But there is nothing in the Bible that definitively rules out the existence of other beings possessing the same characteristics and abilities as God.
Ann, Hebrews is an incredible book and I welcome any manner of inquiry you wish to ask in relation to the priesthood and faith. Whether this Mormon understands them or not does in fact remain to be seen. How about we explore them. We can do it in private if you wish or, if the host of this blog is willing for us to go the rounds here then that is fine with me too. Since you imply you understand the priesthood and faith and Mormons do not, how about you begin by saying why you think we don’t understand them and what they are. We can go from there.
JimMissy, How about you explain in detail to me what Paul was talking about in Romans 1:21. He was not speaking of Jesus because the Saints in his time did glorify Him as deity. While you are at it, how about you explain how there are three distinct personages of the Trinity FROM THE BIBLE and not from your New Age metaphysics garbage. If there was an advent of the Son of God, as one of the personages of the Trinity, then tell me why it is not also feasible to expect the Father and the Holy Ghost to also have their advents too. Surely if they are personages then they too should at some point be PERSONS! Also, see if you can tell me how these three persons constitute a Single God. Your creeds say you cannot do this, but it is simple when you know how to read the Bible. I’ve given you a couple hints already and I’ll give you a couple more if you ask politely.
Give me a moment to create new posts so these questions can be addressed in their own threads.
If you’d like to discuss further the matter of whether there is one God or many, go to http://www.mormondna.org/nature-of-god/mormons-more-than-one-god.html.
As for the matter of Hebrews, yes, as Jason says, it would help Ann if you could specify in more detail what it is about the book of Hebrews, faith, and priesthood you believe Mormons don’t understand.
Satan teaches that man can be like God and Mormonism believes it and they reject what God says that there is no other god and now Mormons hate Christianity for accepting what God say’s over Satan. It’s sad how much Satan and Mormons hates Christianity.
Mormonism always agrees with Satan to change who God is, change who Jesus is and working hard to change who a Christian is. Satan one time said, “surely hath God said,” trying to change God into a liar.
This BOM is not restoration from God but Death to the Bibical God, Death to Bibical Jesus, Death to Bibical Christianity while the Blinded Mormons ride their bicycles in their protective underwear exalting their Mormon God and their Mormon Jesus and then pretend by calling themselves Christians. My faith is in the true Bibical God and Jesus and I put no faith in no protective underwear.
The Bibical God is Spirit. This Con Smith could not of seen the Bibical God the Father for no man can see God, Physical or Spiritually. Jesus goes on to say those who has seen me has seen the Father. I listen to Jesus to see the Father while Mormonism creates artwork and see’s their Mormon God the Father in deceitful pages for all to see. God’s Word says to not make any images but Mormonism will do anything to make their own God and no-one or No God will stop them.
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. All three are equal as God. Jesus is fully God as God the Father is. Their positions are different but all is God. The fingerprints of God is everywhere. We have SPACE which is Height, Width, and Depth. We have three but all is one. We have TIME which is Past, Present and Future. Then we have MATTER which is Solid, Liquid and Gas. Can’t have one without the other. Even the Demons believe there is ONE God and trembles.
Smith shot at the Bibical God in the Holy Bible and his life ended in Jail shooting to stop the Heart of man. He died by going his own way and his lies are still killing the souls of man today. No matter how big Mormonism grows all is in Vain to Destroy the Bibical God or Christainity for a Mormon god.
I know you hate Christainity and call it Garbage. The Christian Church has it thorns but the wheat is still growing. Smith focused on the thorns and got mad and condemned the whole Christianity. As wheat you condemn me as Garbage when you condemn Christainity. And then you tell me to be polite. I rather be garbage worshipping the Bibical Jesus than a Mormon worshipping the Mormon Jesus that was made up by a madman.
Jason, your worship is one of falsehood. Theres nothing you can say that will make me trade off my Bibical Jesus for your Mormon Jesus. Jesus is real in my Heart. I’ll never give Him up and He will never Leave me. I received His gift of life freely he gave His life to me. But this isn’t good enough for such a hard worker like you. So add what you can do before what Christ has done.
I love to study with you but not for the reason to accept Mormonism. Jesus is fully my Savior and fully my life I share. ok….. JimMissy
JimMissy, a few questions:
1. Where and how does Satan teach that man can be like God?
2. Where does God say there is no other god?
3. How do you know that Mormons have changed who God is, and that it’s not Mormons who have restored the truth about God?
4. If you believe man can’t see God, how do you explain the following scriptures?
Exodus 33:11 – “And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.”
Deuteronomy 34:10 – “And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.”
5. What evidence do you have that Mormons “hate” other Christians, or Christianity in general? Maybe we have different definitions of “hate”.
Hi Lost Joshua,
1. Where and how does Satan teach that man can be like God?
Glad ye ask. He teaches this in
. (Isaiah 14:13). I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS: I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.
Satans followers listen to him and were taught a lie to Guaduate higher by force and especially Satan.
(Rev 12:7-9). And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not;
Satan failed and we have learnt the truth that no-one can knock God out. Since God can’t be defeated then teach folks to hate Christainity and present a New Mormon Christain. Do away with the Bibical God for a Mormon God. Do away with the Bibical Jesus for a Mormon Jesus. Joseph Smith gave it a shot to knock out God of the Bible. His Mormon followers are promised much to exalt their New Mormon God and their New Mormon Jesus. Bigger and Bigger they grow but like Satan, Whoa what a drop off. Just like Satan Mormons hates Christianity.
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2. Where does God say there is no other god? Isaiah 44:6-8
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
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3. How do you know that Mormons have changed who God is, and that it’s not Mormons who have restored the truth about God?
Mormons didn’t change who God is. Joseph Smith took the first shot like Satan did. Smith claims he saw God the Father which Jesus says this is impossible. How can Smiths followers restore anything without the Bibical God. They will go down like Satan’s followers for letting go of the Bibical God for a Mormon god.
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4. If you believe man can’t see God, how do you explain the following scriptures?
Moses saw God but not God the Father and this agrees with what Jesus said that no-one can see God the Father. Jesus is called the Mighty God.
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5. What evidence do you have that Mormons “hate” other Christians, or Christianity in general? Maybe we have different definitions of “hate”.
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Evidence? “Christianity…is a perfect pack of nonsense…the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167)
Now thats hate and no problem with definition. This is DEATH to Christianity. First Death to the Bibical God then Death to the bibical Jesus. Much Death Mormonism has that even you did not know the true hate. Go to (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167) read for yourself,ok. JimMissy
JimMissy,
#1: Interesting. You seemed to say Michael is God. Micheal is the third member of the Godhead. The second member of the Godhead was Jehovah who was Jesus on earth. Do you know who Michael was on the earth? If you know this then you will know who isn’t going to be knocked out even though things look pretty bleak for him for a time. Here’s a hint. His name starts with Aleph and ends with Mem. Also, if you fight against him then that puts you among the minions of the dragon. Whose side do you wish to be on?
#2: Interesting. We have two personages giving voice here that then merge into a single identity. We have “the LORD the King of Israel” and the personage separately identified as “his redeemer the LORD of hosts”. Then, these two separate personages are merged into a single identity called “the first and the last” and jointly proclaim “beside ME there is no God”. Do you find it particulary interesting that I consider this verse you have shared perfectly and exactly describe how the three offices in the Godhead all come together in union culminating into a single identity as the Father who stands at the head of all?
#3: You have already said yourself that Jesus says if you have seen him then you have also seen the Father. How can you now change your story and say Jesus said something that entirely contradicts himself? For all I know Joseph Smith Jun. actually only beheld a single apparition that gave voice for two personages. His words are somewhat ambiguous on this point when all of the different first vision statements are compared. The one way all of them could be rectified as saying one consistent thing, even though to some they appear to contradict, is to look at it just this way. Isaiah certainly had no problem merging two personages of deity into a single being, (as we just discovered in point #2) so why should we not allow Joseph Smith Jun. the same possibility? This would also rectify the apparent contradictions in Jesus’ words as well.
#4: Jesus did say man could see God the Father. He said if you have seen him then you have seen the Father.
#5: That’s a very apt quote to represent a proper description of what modern Christianity has become. Being able to soundly demonstrate the truth of this to those willing to consider it with humility is the highest expression of love that can be offered to them. Your view of this quote being an expression of hate is born of your presupposition that modern Christianity has not “so soon been removed from the faith” as Paul put it. If you want to hold to the traditions of your fathers and stay in the herd of swine who refuse to ruminate then as you run headlong over the cliff please don’t say I hated you when I tried to help you open your eyes before it was too late. I say the truth because I love you, not because I hate you. The question that settles it all is who has the truth? Your traditions of the fathers or fresh revelation from the heavens? Jews could have claimed Christians hated them too. Their claims didn’t stop the Romans from leveling them to the dust anymore than your claims are going to give you wings to fly away when you are in free-fall.
Michael is the Archangel and never God. You don’t understand that Mormonism is a counterfeit of Christianity not a restoration.
There is three persons in the Godhead but all three are God. Not three separate Gods of flesh. If this was the case then worshipping Jesus would be having another God before God and when God says to have no other gods before Him. (Whoops.) God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is from all eternity. There is no other God like Him. We can make our own gods in a make believe world but God commands we’re not to do that.
Prophecies for 1500 years by 40 different Authors and Jesus fulfilled them all. No places has been proven to exist that Smith spoke about. Names of Tribes and Battles fought has never been Proven. His Prophecies has failed and the Book of Abraham proven false. All the Bibical places in the Bible has been proven true and now you want me to walk and partake of that which contains high falsehood?
Mormons through-out the years has a great history of changing words that was meant one way to a new meaning of the same word. The word looks Christian-like but once looked into shows its different so seeing you like to change two personages voices into one is no surprise. This is the Mormon way.
Your thought about the traditions of men and pig doesn’t persuade me to trade off the Bibical Jesus for a Mormon Jesus at all. The Bible is my instuction Book to go through life. Reading it for direction is not tradition but Gods love for me to follow.
Narrow is the Way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Your going on another way, another gospel, another Jesus which in Gods Word says would happen. Jesus says He will in no wise cast me out for coming to Him. I came to Jesus when I was Heavy Laden and now free. Jesus promises He will never leave me or forsake me and He hasn’t. What I shared with you with love you are taught that all is from Satan. That sounds like Blasphemy.
Mormonism once taught to reject the Black people but now another change and presto Black people accepted. In the Bible I’m taught to love all people and never reject them because of their color. Then you call me a pig and call me garbage when I follow wonderful truths to love that you are just beginning to follow.
I’m convinced that Smith was the biggest Con man I ever heard about then Mormons make images of the Con portraying him innocent. History proves he was far from innocent. History proves all the Bibles Places, Peoples and Battlegrounds but nothing Smith said was found true but everything Jesus said is true.
The true Bibical Jesus I will follow no matter the names you degrade me to. I know you mean well to warn me of danger but in Gods love I’m in no danger. Mormons Has a Mormon God that is a counterfeit and are the ones in great danger.
Some of your questions I just couldn’t understand what your were asking so I didn’t try to answer them.
JimMissy
Michael is our prince, which means he is our future King. (Daniel 10:13,21)
When He comes as Adam he becomes our King having dominion over all living things, including the “fishes”. (Gen 1:28)
However, our King falls and needs to be redeemed.
Rev 12:7-10 says upon Michael’s victory over the dragon, thanks to His Christ, the Kingdom of our God and the power of HIS Christ is established.
Isaiah 44:6 says the King and His Redeemer become Alpha and Omega and jointly proclaim beside ME (the King and His Redeemer in union as the Father) THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.
Thus, the 1st personage of the Trinity/Godhead for the new creation becomes composed of a union of the 2nd and 3rd personages of the previous creation’s Trinity/Godhead with Him.
Put another way, the former Michael (Adam-Holy Ghost) and Jehovah (Jesus Christ-Son) personages unite/progress to become the Eloheim (Adam/Christ-Father) of the new Creation, beside whom at the time there is absolutely no other God. They are fully united into a single personage at that time.
No comment on the rest of your stuff for now.
Oh Jason, you gotta go. Sad, I’ll miss you and I hope that you choose the real Bibical Jesus that in Heaven we can meet. That would be ok. Right now you are too dirty and need Jesus to wash you from all this counterfeit’s that you can be as white as snow. Right now you are still a deceived dirty little stinker that’s afraid of bath water.
Your Cult brother named Jehovah’s Witness claims that Jesus is Michael the Arch Angel and Jesus is forever dead. So much sick unbibical additives that Satan has deceived his prey to do. All cults believe that they are the only ones going to Heaven. I heard it all Jason.
Thanks for sharing your time with me and I’m here always hoping and praying that you’ll discover all the heavy dirt that Satan’s Joseph smashed upon you and choose the real Bibical Jesus to remove all that excess weight. Jesus say’s When ye are free, Ye are free Indeed. Amen… Love From the real Bibical Family. JimMissy
JimMissy, I gotta go? Since when are you the moderator of this discussion? All that I said above is Biblical but you are averse to discussing Biblical things and can only fall back on baseless slurs of both me and Joseph Smith Jun. As for bathwater, I received my baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Ghost by those who have authority from Jesus Christ to administer that ordinance. You have not heard it all because there is much I could share more but choose not to because you are so full of pride that you won’t ruminate on what I share. Jesus says one should not cast their pearls before such. When you demonstrate you are capable of rumination then perhaps I will consider sharing more with you.
Christians rejected the King (the new Adam who was the prince Michael) that Jesus said was coming by arrogating themselves as the Kingdom. Jesus told them the Kingdom would not be given at that time and that it would be future. Unfortunately, Christians prefer beating the manservants of the Lord because they have not watched as He bid them to. Because of this, these high-minded Christians who have mocked His Gospel shall be beaten with many stripes.
You have freed yourself from the Law of God, but that is not what Jesus wanted for you. He wanted God’s Laws to become written on your hearts so that you would be ready for the Kingdom when it came. Instead, you hve fought against it to your own peril. You are who have fallen for the seducing doctrines of devils to use the offering of Jesus Christ to lay God’s Laws aside and to walk in the vain imaginations of your own hearts. Paul warned you Gentiles NOT to do that because God will just as quickly spare you not as He spared not his own covenant people.
I guess you don’t put much stock in what Paul says, unless it seems to suit your vain imaginations, so I shouldn’t expect you to take heed of this part of the bible. You blather on and on like you know the Biblical Jesus and that I don’t. You will find when you see me in the bosom of Abraham, because I support doing the works of Abraham, that you have left yourself naked and exposed and shall not be allowed to enter into the Kingdom of God. You don’t even know who or what these things are. Your kingdom is being a law unto yourself and thinking Jesus is going to pick up the tab because of your lip service to Him.
Hi Jason,
Baptism is second base but will not wash away Sins. If you don’t touch 1st base (which is the Bibical Jesus) then you will be out at home plate. So your a Pharisee Moderator. I’m garbage remember? I bow my head and cried for mercy while you thank God like the Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
You tell me that “Jesus says one should not cast their pearls before such”. Thats right, the Bibical Jesus said that but not the Mormon Jesus. You put Jesus words in something that don’t exist and then honor it as it does. Gods Word is real in my heart and I need not give it to another to receive His Word deluted.
Mormonism always has added more before receiving anything from God. God comes to give which Christians receive but Mormonism always adds what he can do before receiving what God has done for us.
Like I said Mormonism and Satan hates Christianity. My Bibical Jesus saved me which your Mormon Jesus couldn’t save a fly. No matter how much you degrade me and degrade Gods Word and degrade God, NONE of this degradation will remove the Bibical God that you can be saved by another. What a worthless pursuit.
Its time I go. hopefully I can share more truth with you in the future. Be careful and really try to hate Satan and not Christianity. I know Mormonism once taught to hate the Black people and now they accept them. Jason be the one to accept the Bibical Jesus and make a real difference. You’ll never be sorry. I promise.
JimMissy
This is JimMissy folks and as you see I fear not nothing that Mormonism throws at me to make me bow to a Mormon God or Mormon Jesus that don’t exist. If your a Mormon fear not these deceivers that threathen you that you’ll lose being in Heaven if you reject Mormonism. For trusting Smith as any way to Heaven means already that your not going to Heaven. Jesus says He’s the Only way to eternal Life. He meant exactly what He say’s.
There is many Mormon recovery Sites that are there to help you recover from these Cults. Mormonism only sees the Bibical Gods people as Pigs, see’s Christianity as Garbage, See’s not the Bibical God as Spirit and has a Mormon God to flesh, and has a Mormon Jesus as Satans brother.
Yes you will look like a pig when leaving Mormonism. They will insult you, degrade you and shame you like they did me. you will be excommunicated and treated poorly. Yes you will have to suffer for Christ’s Sake. Go with Honor for it is better for Mormonism is say go than for Jesus to say go away I never knew you. Stand up for Jesus or fall for anything. Don’t be caught dead without the Bibical Jesus for with Jesus we have a home thats out of this World. Has Joseph any History of healing anybody like Jesus? Has Smith picked up snakes like Paul did to throw it in the fire or is it that he is remembered for picking up a gun to kill. Wake up before its too late. JimMissy
JimMissy, I agree 100% that Jesus Christ meant exactly what He says and that He did tell you the way to Eternal Life.
John 17:3 says:
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
Jesus Christ, the Son, is speaking about someone other than Himself that men need to know. Those who do not know Him shall not be heirs of Eternal Life. Those who fight against Him are accounted as the minions of the dragon and shall ultimately fail. Who is he speaking of? The King that He eventually redeems from death and hell and restores to His throne.
Jesus Christ taught very clearly that the Kingdom of His Father would come in the future.
Acts 1:6-7 says:
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Jesus Christ taught people to pray in the future tense that the Father would come and establish His Kingdom. He also gave the timing in Luke 12 for the next two advents of deity if you know how to understand the 2nd watch in the night and the 3rd watch in the night.
Luke 11:2 says:
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
So, if Jesus Christ taught He didn’t establish the Kingdom (nor His disciples) and that it wasn’t up to Him to do that, but that it would be done by the Father in the future, then as I see it all Christians should earnestly be looking for the King who is given dominion over all things to come and have His advent on earth. Who is given dominion over all things? Michael the prince comes to earth and obtains His Kingdom as Adam and does battle with the Serpent and is wounded to death physically and spiritually, thus manifesting the advent of the Holy Ghost. But, His redeemer, who is the Savior for that Creation, redeems him from the death and the pit of hell and puts Him back on His throne as the advent of the Father.
This being plain and clear in the Bible, why then do Christians claim they are the Kingdom when there is no acknowledgment or understanding that it is a work that the Father is the head of? As I see it this is a presumptive arrogation setting themselves up for a fall. Of a certainty, it is a departure from what Jesus Christ taught in His own words.
What are you asking me to wake up to? You are who has gone contrary to Jesus’ words.
There are also a wealth of scriptures that say when the King comes and is given dominion over all things that He shall fall and need to be redeemed by His Christ. Who is the King’s Redeemer? It shall be Jesus. How does this happen? Isaiah 44:6 tells you they merge into a single advent.
You think you believe Him but what you will find out is you have put more faith in the corrupted Gospel your forefathers have given you.
Truth hurts don’t it or else you wouldn’t of omited my last comment ugh Jason? You want to look so good and care nothing how ugly you make the truth to be.
JimMissy, The church is due much criticism in its fallen state. Eve is yet beguiled and her eyes are not yet opened. And, her murderous son Cain is in full swing right now. All of the “good guys” who were of Abel’s spirit are now spiritually murdered via excommunication and refusing burial. Things are indeed in a very sad state of affairs. None of this diminishes from the original truth and glory Adam was given when he became the first “living soul” and opened the way for us to receive our spiritual rebirth/resurrection in His Bride “the Mother of all Living” too. But, you are just a zombine so I suspect you won’t have any appreciation for this.
Jason,
The true Church are in the hearts of Gods people and is not fallen. Sin has always been around attacking the Church. Thorns are in the Church and so is much wheat and the Lord is still in charge and will never fail and will do the separating to those who have fell for anything instead of standing for good. The unfallen Church today still wait upon on the Lord and Pray “Thy Kingdom Come” what a blesseth day.
It is not Bibical that Adam preexisted or that Michael the Archangel is Adam. The Jehovah Witnesses say that Michael the Archangel is Jesus. He is a Powerful Angel and if he was here now he would point to Jesus and not to Himself. Thats our job to point folks to Jesus and no-one else that JesuUSAves. As I point to Jesus I’m not pointing to a Mormon Jesus that couldn’t save a fly but the Bibical Jesus, my Jesus and can be yours also.
JimMissy
JimMissy, You are preaching a version of the Gospel born of vain imaginations to accommodate man’s desire to walk in his own way according to his own light and yet somehow merit Jesus’ favor at the same time. You say you are looking for the Kingdom of the Father to come but you have no idea what you are looking for and dismiss anyone claiming to establish such in truth and power. Rather than sincerely investigate them and ruminate upon their message you immediately charge them as a liar, blasphemer, etc. You are NOT watching as Jesus bid you to do but are of a disposition to beat the manservants of the Lord. You are earning many stripes for ignoring the Savior while claiming to believe Him.
You dismiss the role Adam and Eve play and the timing when God said they would manifest in this Creation. If Adam is given dominion over all living things, including the fishes (that means Christians who were created on Day 5), then He is the King who brings the Father’s Kingdom to the earth. It’s also logical that prior to this Adam’s soul was considered a prince and had a different name, which I know to be Michael. Yet, as we learn, Adam and His Bride (the restored Church) are beguiled by the Serpent, fall and must be redeemed before the Kingdom can be established in power.
So, whether you agree or disagree that Joseph Smith Jun. and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are the foretold literal (not metaphorical) manifestation of the King of Israel (of the tribe of Ephraim, Israel’s birthright) and His Bride (gathered/resurrected Israel, primarily Ephraim) who become beguiled and fallen (thus House of Ephraim is blotted out) and need to be redeemed (covered by House of Joseph), then you should be looking for something else that fits this pattern better. I am certain you will not find such.
For you to be trying to justify how mere fishes, who have scattered off in their own vain imaginations, are going to circumvent all of these terrible times of challenge and tribulation, including the total drying up of the sea, then you are definitely lost and confused. You speak as though the fishes are the pinnacle of authoritative manifestation of God’s work among the children of men and that no other higher manifestations of authority will ever come on earth again. Such is definitely NOT the case and is totally ludicrous, yet this is the disposition of modern Christianity.
It is absolutely Biblical that every soul preexisted in the previous “world” for the same reason that every soul here now in this “world” shall also exist in the “world(s) to come” of the future creation(s). It is true some souls shall digress into a more miserable state and some souls will progress into a more glorious state in their “world to come” based on their choices here, but all were, are and shall be accounted for from “world” to “world” or creation to creation. All souls are capable of eternal progress (or digress) from “world” to “world”. If you don’t believe this then the entire basis for religion is non-existent.
If you do not know who the man is from the House of Joseph who is being raised up as the tender plant from a root out of dry ground who shall be the advent of the Father, then Eternal Life is not something you shall be privileged to enjoy. Only a person who truly believes and follows all of the teachings Jesus Christ gave, including the portions of meat He said would come in the future, will be sufficiently prepared to have eyes to see the pearls that will lead them to know where the gates of the Father’s Kingdom are and how to be worthy to enter in. This is that which FEW shall find, such that He will be there in person to individually judge the worthiness of each aspirant. This is the destination of the straight and narrow path.
So, on Day 6, which is pretty much behind us, we should expect to see the manifestation of Adam and the establishment of His Bride and Their being beguiled by the Serpent and their fall, Cain slaying Abel, and so on. It is when Adam is redeemed and restored to His throne that He establishes the Kingdom in power on Day 1 of the new creation that He laid the foundation for prior to His fall. When He returns He shall set things in order and finish things up. This should be just around the corner. But, you have not the foggiest idea what you are looking for because you are seeking broad paths instead of the straight and narrow path.
It is Jesus who pointed to the Father and not to himself. We are to worship the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. The beauty is that Jesus is to be the redeemer of the Father of the new Creation and is who is referred to in Rev 12:10 where it says “now is come the Kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ”. Jesus worshipped the personage who was the advent of the Father on Day 1 of our current Creation. We are to worship Him through His Son. Jesus becomes the redeemer of Adam, who is the new Father in embryo, but who does not manifest in power until after He is redeemed.
As I read holy writ, Isaiah 44:6 in particular, the two (Adam the King and Christ His Redeemer) enter into union and jointly manifest in the person of the Father, beside whom there is no other God. In this way, as each creation goes through its cycle, a few souls of men (like Jesus/Stem and Adam/Rod and Shiloh/Branch) are able to enter into union with the One True God and partake directly of all His Glory. This seems to be the very point of the intercessory prayer. This is a prayer that you would do well to spend some time meditating upon.
Jason, You sure do sound like Smith and his leaders. Smith made perdictions that would happen around the corner yet all is False. Through-out the years, Cover up has been given not to focus on this.
Smith buried his lying face in a hat as he spoke ly’s that others could write down, then artist in the future made pictures of Smith with no hat and gave Smith a pleasant studying look as the plates were seen when it was once said that the plates were not seen.
Then another Artist makes pictures of God the Father as been seen by man when Jesus said no man hath seen the Father. So what Mormons show is never the real truth.
So since Mormonism paints a different picture that is false then how can you really expect me to trust any stoke of the brush or pen that is stained with Mormonism? Did you know that Mormo is in the Satanic Bible?
You always bring up the word traditions with indignation and rightly so but you focus on the tradition that are thorns trying to hook me that all is bad. We have divine traditions that wheat carry on. But like Smith who focused on the thorns only and condemned all so Monkey see Monkey do. Bad tradition and then you make matters worse by condemning others not seeing yourself with this real weight.
I have studied Bible Places and People and I have Studied Smiths places he mentions and people and found Smith a Liar because nothing is proven to exist at all while all of Gods Word is true. But the brainwashing Mormonism has infected your eyes shut to the Bibical God while Smith pulls you another way that sounds good. I might sound stupid to you but I’m not ignorant to fall for a Blacksmith ly’s named Joseph.
This Smith has no power what-so-ever to give you anything. He never healed no one and then he foams at the mouth that he done more than Jesus. When your dead then its too late to realize that Smith was Spiritually Rabied. Theres no second chance to get out. Your stuck with a madman through-out eternity. Mormonism tries to scare with ly’s that this madman has power in Heaven but I only pity you to spend your life believing this insult to God.
If you don’t know Jesus as Savior then what good is your knowledge or Smith? Has your knowledge or Smith healed the lame or made the blind see? Has Smiths knowledge healed the lame or made the blind see? JimMissy
I feel Jason, as Paul must have, a heart wrenching cry to warn God’s people of what is coming. We give great theological wars accusing each other of error and false prophecy while we believe we are defending the faith. We’re not fighting the devil. This only adds great confusion, and unlearned folks won’t know who to believe.
Jason, I want to fight the real enemy. And that enemy is out on the streets–and in our own hearts. I don’t want to argue. I want to stand with any brother or sister who walks in the fear of God and whose heart is given in pure devotion to Jesus Christ. I’m not looking for an approval from pastor or evangelist. One man after another, they’ll all fail, until finally hope is lost. Onto Jesus Christ is the only Way with His Holy Word which never fails.
Satan knew this was in Eve, and he began to undermine the fear of God in her immediately: “Did God really say this? God is not like that. You have the wrong concept of Him. Do you think He will deny you knowledge and wisdom, when He Himself is Knowledge and Wisdom? What kind of a god do you think He is? You surely will not die!” Until she broke down.
It wasn’t the apple that Sinned but the Pear on the ground. Then they raised a little Cain because he wasn’t Abel. Take this funny Jason and except it as my departure gift from my heart. I’ll never forget you and I hug you with prayers. We both hung in there but more than this, Thank God Jesus hung in there…………. Your Garbage little stinker … JimMissy