Comments on: Joseph Smith’s False Prophecies http://www.mormondna.org/joseph-smith/joseph-smiths-false-prophecies.html What Mormons Are Really Made Of Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:25:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Leah http://www.mormondna.org/joseph-smith/joseph-smiths-false-prophecies.html#comment-2009 Leah Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:46:03 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=18#comment-2009 Another one: He said his son, Joseph Smith 3, would succeed him as prophet and leader of the church. RESULT: Unfulfilled! The Utah Mormons, or Brighamites as Emma Smith called them, followed Brigham Young so they could keep the practice of polygamy to Utah. They were even worried that JS3 would come and try to claim power in Utah because Joseph Smith made this prophecy clear to many men before his death. Joseph Smith 3 did become prophet, but of the RLDS (Community of Christ) who were against polygamy. If you say this prophecy is fulfilled, then you would have to admit the RLDS is the true church, not the Utah Mormon establishment. Funny thing, I was never taught at the LDS church about Smith's children. I didn't even know he had any surviving! Then I grew up and got a library card, hence why I am no longer a member. Another one: He said his son, Joseph Smith 3, would succeed him as prophet and leader of the church.

RESULT: Unfulfilled!

The Utah Mormons, or Brighamites as Emma Smith called them, followed Brigham Young so they could keep the practice of polygamy to Utah. They were even worried that JS3 would come and try to claim power in Utah because Joseph Smith made this prophecy clear to many men before his death. Joseph Smith 3 did become prophet, but of the RLDS (Community of Christ) who were against polygamy. If you say this prophecy is fulfilled, then you would have to admit the RLDS is the true church, not the Utah Mormon establishment.

Funny thing, I was never taught at the LDS church about Smith’s children. I didn’t even know he had any surviving! Then I grew up and got a library card, hence why I am no longer a member.

]]> By: Iconoclast http://www.mormondna.org/joseph-smith/joseph-smiths-false-prophecies.html#comment-373 Iconoclast Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:40:02 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=18#comment-373 Can even a "true" prophet have false revelations? SETTING: Winter 1829-1830. Comp Hist 1:165 Joseph had a revelation that Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery were to go to Toronto to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon to raise money. RESULT: Unfulfilled! They went, according to the revelation, but were completely unsuccessful. Joseph Smith "inquired of God" and was told that some "revelations" are not from God. David Whitmer reports this incident in his book An Address To All Believers In Christ, Richmond, 1887, photo reprinting by Utah Lighthouse Ministry, pp 30-31. Even Joseph Smith had to admit that some of his "revelations" might be of man or even of the devil. Comp Hist 1:165. This is contradictory in concept to the Deuteronomy 18:22 test, which says that the failure of the test indicates that the prophet is false. Joseph Smith here implies that the prophecy may be false, but the prophet himself is apparently still a prophet. One might ask then, what good is a prophet? Hyrum Smith, who was also a "prophet," on Nov 1, 1831, commented about prophecy and said that "if you hit once in 10 times, that is alright." [quoted by Abraham O. Smoot in 1868 at the Provo School of the Prophets] This also is a contradiction of Deuteronomy 18:22. Note that the prophecies and promises which are in the D&C "shall all be fulfilled." If even one remains unfulfilled, then this also is a false prophecy. D&C 1:37 Can even a “true” prophet have false revelations?

SETTING: Winter 1829-1830. Comp Hist 1:165 Joseph had a revelation that Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery were to go to Toronto to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon to raise money.

RESULT: Unfulfilled!

They went, according to the revelation, but were completely unsuccessful. Joseph Smith “inquired of God” and was told that some “revelations” are not from God. David Whitmer reports this incident in his book An Address To All Believers In Christ, Richmond, 1887, photo reprinting by Utah Lighthouse Ministry, pp 30-31.

Even Joseph Smith had to admit that some of his “revelations” might be of man or even of the devil. Comp Hist 1:165. This is contradictory in concept to the Deuteronomy 18:22 test, which says that the failure of the test indicates that the prophet is false. Joseph Smith here implies that the prophecy may be false, but the prophet himself is apparently still a prophet. One might ask then, what good is a prophet?

Hyrum Smith, who was also a “prophet,” on Nov 1, 1831, commented about prophecy and said that “if you hit once in 10 times, that is alright.” [quoted by Abraham O. Smoot in 1868 at the Provo School of the Prophets] This also is a contradiction of Deuteronomy 18:22.

Note that the prophecies and promises which are in the D&C “shall all be fulfilled.” If even one remains unfulfilled, then this also is a false prophecy. D&C 1:37

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