Comments on: What’s up with Brigham Young and all those racist statements he made? http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html What Mormons Are Really Made Of Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:14:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Leah http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2295 Leah Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:39:05 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2295 Those fundamentals were given by your prophet, so actually it is your prophet who sets his own standards, and the members just "follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, he knows the waaaaay!" When you have sung that song ever since you could talk, I know it's hard to discern between what is truth and what has just been taught. Look at the facts of church history. A good tree cannot put forth ANY bad fruit. Not even one. Jesus said so. Brigham Young was definitely a bad fruit! Please people, research Brigham Young further than these comments, you'd be surprised anyone named a college after him. It's all there in U.S. history: the power hungry motives, murder, bloodshed, rebellion, and racism. Those fundamentals were given by your prophet, so actually it is your prophet who sets his own standards, and the members just “follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, he knows the waaaaay!” When you have sung that song ever since you could talk, I know it’s hard to discern between what is truth and what has just been taught.

Look at the facts of church history. A good tree cannot put forth ANY bad fruit. Not even one. Jesus said so. Brigham Young was definitely a bad fruit! Please people, research Brigham Young further than these comments, you’d be surprised anyone named a college after him. It’s all there in U.S. history: the power hungry motives, murder, bloodshed, rebellion, and racism.

]]> By: Leah http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2294 Leah Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:24:03 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2294 And as far as your prophets and leaders just being men who make mistakes, it is not others who set the standard for perfection for them...it's your church members. Your members say your prophet is the only mouthpiece for God on this earth, that he will never lead you astray, and if the prophet says something it is God's truth. Then when people who do have a heart for the truth bring up all of the bad fruit that has come from them, that's when Mormons spout the "he is just a man and not perfect" excuse. I'm sure it helps you sleep at night, but it shows who makes a stretch to reach conclusions not based in truth. Should I post again the Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet from your church? Here's three: 1. 1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything. 2. The prophet does not have to say “Thus saith the Lord” to give us scripture. 2.The prophet will never lead the Church astray. Your church set the standard! I'd say all the members before 1978 were led astray, in more ways than one. And as far as your prophets and leaders just being men who make mistakes, it is not others who set the standard for perfection for them…it’s your church members. Your members say your prophet is the only mouthpiece for God on this earth, that he will never lead you astray, and if the prophet says something it is God’s truth. Then when people who do have a heart for the truth bring up all of the bad fruit that has come from them, that’s when Mormons spout the “he is just a man and not perfect” excuse. I’m sure it helps you sleep at night, but it shows who makes a stretch to reach conclusions not based in truth.

Should I post again the Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet from your church? Here’s three: 1. 1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything. 2. The prophet does not have to say “Thus saith the Lord” to give us scripture. 2.The prophet will never lead the Church astray. Your church set the standard!

I’d say all the members before 1978 were led astray, in more ways than one.

]]> By: Leah http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2293 Leah Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:08:30 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2293 The truth is that the Mormon church wouldn't allow blacks to have the priesthood from it's start until 1978. That is a fact and the truth Joshua. It's not "reaching whatever conclusion" we want. I care deeply for the truth. I am not saying all Mormons are all racist or anything like that, but when you see all these things in church history you cannot deny that there was some racism or at very least white elitism at it's beginning. It is another fruit of Mormon beliefs. The truth is that the Mormon church wouldn’t allow blacks to have the priesthood from it’s start until 1978. That is a fact and the truth Joshua. It’s not “reaching whatever conclusion” we want. I care deeply for the truth.

I am not saying all Mormons are all racist or anything like that, but when you see all these things in church history you cannot deny that there was some racism or at very least white elitism at it’s beginning. It is another fruit of Mormon beliefs.

]]> By: Joshua Steimle http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2291 Joshua Steimle Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:09:10 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2291 Those who don't care about the truth can reach whatever conclusion they want. Those who don’t care about the truth can reach whatever conclusion they want.

]]> By: Leah http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2290 Leah Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:50:20 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2290 But he didn't, he darkened their skin. Several times. Along with all the racist comments from BY, I'd say it's more of a stretch to arrive at the conclusion that the BOM doesn't have any racist undertones. But he didn’t, he darkened their skin. Several times. Along with all the racist comments from BY, I’d say it’s more of a stretch to arrive at the conclusion that the BOM doesn’t have any racist undertones.

]]> By: Joshua Steimle http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2287 Joshua Steimle Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:06:19 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2287 It's a bit of a stretch from reading what's in the Book of Mormon to arrive at the conclusion that it teaches that dark skin is always a punishment of God, or that anyone who has dark skin has been punished by God. There is nothing in the Book of Mormon that says God couldn't lighten someone's skin as punishment, or make their noses turn red. It’s a bit of a stretch from reading what’s in the Book of Mormon to arrive at the conclusion that it teaches that dark skin is always a punishment of God, or that anyone who has dark skin has been punished by God. There is nothing in the Book of Mormon that says God couldn’t lighten someone’s skin as punishment, or make their noses turn red.

]]> By: Mr. Deity http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-2283 Mr. Deity Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:23:10 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-2283 I must say that these are some of the most pathetic apologies for racism I have ever read. The fact is simple: Mormonism = racism. The single most important idea in the Book of Mormon -- the idea without which the Book of Mormon narrative falls apart -- is that God punishes people by darkening their skin. If you don't believe that God punishes people by darkening their skin, you are not a believer in the Book of Mormon and cannot possibly believe in the veracity of the Mormon Church and its teachings. If you are a believer in the Book of Mormon and the idea the God punishes people by darkening their skin, you believe an ignorant, scientifically illiterate, racist idea. Everything hinges on this one question, which (for some reason) Mormons virtually never ask themselves. I know I didn't for a very long time. I must say that these are some of the most pathetic apologies for racism I have ever read. The fact is simple: Mormonism = racism. The single most important idea in the Book of Mormon — the idea without which the Book of Mormon narrative falls apart — is that God punishes people by darkening their skin. If you don’t believe that God punishes people by darkening their skin, you are not a believer in the Book of Mormon and cannot possibly believe in the veracity of the Mormon Church and its teachings. If you are a believer in the Book of Mormon and the idea the God punishes people by darkening their skin, you believe an ignorant, scientifically illiterate, racist idea. Everything hinges on this one question, which (for some reason) Mormons virtually never ask themselves. I know I didn’t for a very long time.

]]> By: Joshua Steimle http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-1929 Joshua Steimle Tue, 06 Dec 2011 05:21:17 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-1929 I know it has been, but I'm not sure where and don't have the time at the moment to search for it. But there are a lot of resources at http://www.blacklds.org/priesthood that one could peruse. I know it has been, but I’m not sure where and don’t have the time at the moment to search for it. But there are a lot of resources at http://www.blacklds.org/priesthood that one could peruse.

]]> By: Leah http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-1915 Leah Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:01:07 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-1915 Has anyone addressed the issues in the Book of Mormon itself speaking of "bad" people getting black skin and "good" people being white, fair, and delightsome? God even changed their skin to white when they behaved, then back to black again once they fell away! I would say that is where all of the racism stemmed from. Also the belief that people who are born black were not very good in the preexistence. These beliefs are far more incriminating than Brigham Young quotes. I didn't read through the whole post so just wondering if it's been addressed/explained. Has anyone addressed the issues in the Book of Mormon itself speaking of “bad” people getting black skin and “good” people being white, fair, and delightsome? God even changed their skin to white when they behaved, then back to black again once they fell away! I would say that is where all of the racism stemmed from. Also the belief that people who are born black were not very good in the preexistence. These beliefs are far more incriminating than Brigham Young quotes.

I didn’t read through the whole post so just wondering if it’s been addressed/explained.

]]> By: Elaine http://www.mormondna.org/mormons-and-blacks/brigham-young-racist-statements.html#comment-1419 Elaine Fri, 08 Jul 2011 03:55:09 +0000 http://www.mormondna.org/?p=250#comment-1419 I actually found my copy at the Deseret Bookstore across from Temple Square in Salt Lake. I devoured the book in less than 3 days. It was actually my husband that picked it up, and he is looking forward to reading it. This is the kind of book that leaves you feeling like a better person just for having read it. I had never seen it before, even after going to the Deseret bookstore here in Las Vegas just a couple of weeks ago. I actually found my copy at the Deseret Bookstore across from Temple Square in Salt Lake. I devoured the book in less than 3 days. It was actually my husband that picked it up, and he is looking forward to reading it. This is the kind of book that leaves you feeling like a better person just for having read it. I had never seen it before, even after going to the Deseret bookstore here in Las Vegas just a couple of weeks ago.

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