And, what, if anything would lead you to the conclusion that Mormonism’s foundational stories, personalities and writings are not what they claim to be?

Yes, there is. What leads me to believe they are true is God telling me so, and so the way I figure it, the only thing that could convince me otherwise would be for God to tell me that what he has already told me is not true. But that’s a bit like the age-old question “Could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?”

As far as any other sort of evidence such as writings or lack thereof, scientific “evidence”, etc., no, I don’t really see how anything else could convince me, because it wasn’t by those things that I was convinced of the truthfulness of the LDS Church in the first place. Not that things couldn’t come up that might give me pause–I’m sure there are other things I’ll learn about Mormonism that will make me think “Really?! What the heck…?” but in the past when I’ve come across such things my thought process is “Hmm, I wonder what the explanation is for all of this?” as opposed to “I don’t see how the LDS Church can be true anymore.”

When Mormons say they have a testimony of something they are not saying they know 100% that what they are saying is true. On the other hand, they’re also not saying they just think it would nice if it were true. What they are saying is that they have reason to believe something is true. It is an expression of faith, and all members of the LDS Church are encouraged to gain their own testimonies of the doctrines of the church by researching them and praying about them and asking God if they are true or not.

But it would be all too easy if that’s where it left off. It would be great if you could just say “Yeah, I prayed about the Book of Mormon, I feel good, I’m going water skiing.” Being a member of the Mormon faith doesn’t lend itself to helping you be comfortable. It’s not enough just to know and admit that something is true. You actually have to live it. And if that weren’t bad enough, you’re supposed to regularly “bear your testimony” meaning you tell other people what you know. That might be more through your actions than your words, but words matter and Mormons are encouraged to verbally share their knowledge or their testimony with others on a regular basis.

Public speaking is the number one phobia in the United States. Know what #2 is? Death. That’s right, people are more afraid of speaking in front of a group than they are of dying. Or as Jerry Seinfeld put it, most people would rather be the guy in the casket than the one giving the eulogy. So it’s no surprise that some Mormons get nervous when the first Sunday of the month rolls around, because that’s testimony meeting at church.

Every Sunday (with rare exceptions) Mormons have three meetings at church. The most important one is called Sacrament Meeting, and it’s the one in which we take the bread and water in remembrance of Christ’s flesh and blood. After the sacramental ordinance is completed in that meeting, we generally have “talks”. That is, members of the congregation (generally 2-4) get up in front of everybody and talk about a gospel topic, like faith or repentance or helping the poor. People have a hard enough time with this, even though they’re generally asked to give a talk days if not weeks in advance so they have plenty of time to prepare. But on the first Sunday of the month it’s different. Any member of the congregation can go up to the front, stand at the microphone, and bear their testimony, meaning they talk about the gospel things they know and experiences they’ve had that have helped them to know the gospel is true.

This is called “bearing your testimony” or “giving a testimony” and what is said is often referred to as “a testimony.” As in “Hi Jack, I really enjoyed your testimony today.” Jack’s testimony may have been short. He may have stood up and said nothing more than “I know Christ lives and that we can be forgiven of our sins” before sitting down. He may have gone on for 40 minutes talking about how he knows Christ lives and how he knows he can be forgiven of his sins. The length doesn’t matter, what matters is that the testimony is sincere and real. People aren’t supposed to get up and say things they don’t really believe and especially things they don’t even want to believe. I’m sure it happens, but it shouldn’t.

But bearing a testimony and having a testimony are really two different things, and having a testimony is the one that comes first, because if you don’t have it you can’t bear it, although it has been said that bearing it can lead to having it. But leaving that aside for now, let’s focus on the having rather than the bearing.

Having a testimony is important because of the nature of this world. God generally doesn’t throw anything in our face or drop anything in our laps. A large part of why we’re here on earth is so that we can prove to God and ourselves who we really are, and if we could see what’s really going on and God spoke to all of us every day as one man speaks to another then we really wouldn’t have the freedom to choose between good and bad. We’d all choose good because we’d know 100% that we better, or else. It wouldn’t be much of a test. So God keeps things in a sort of limbo. He makes sure that if you want to believe in him, you can find the evidence to support your desire. But if you don’t want to believe in him, he doesn’t present you with proof of himself to force you to believe in him. He wants us to choose for ourselves what we really want, and we prove that every day with the choices we make.

Because we’re in this world where nothing seems 100% certain, a testimony can be an anchor to help us do what is right. In my life, my testimony that there is a God and that God wants me to be doing certain things helps me to be a better husband, father, son, brother, neighbor, and friend. It helps me in my job, my hobbies, my ambitions. If it weren’t that I have something at my core that tells me that God exists, I don’t know what kind of person I would be, but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be as motivated to do the things I do. I’d probably eat more Ben and Jerry’s, that’s for sure.

“But how does someone get a testimony? I mean, I still don’t know what that means.” you might say. “How can you claim to ‘know’ something is true?”

For me, I feel as though I’ve always had a testimony that God existed and that there was a plan. It has always made sense to me and I feel like it’s who I am. I can understand the logic people use to explain there is no God, but I don’t believe it. But I’m not very good at explaining how I know God exists. One analogy is to ask you to state whether you know somebody exists when they walk behind a wall and you can’t see them anymore. I’m not asking whether they’re in a certain location, I’m asking you whether that person exists as a human being. You would likely say that of course they still exist, even though you can’t see them. How do you know they exist? Somebody could argue with you and essentially prove to you that you have little if any proof to show that this person exists. You might even be swayed by their arguments. And yet afterwards you would say, “Well of course the person exists, all these hypothetical arguments about how they might not exist are interesting and logical, but I just saw the person walk behind the wall and of course that person still exists.”

Well, if I see someone go behind a wall I know that they exist. And in a similar way I also know that God exists, even though I didn’t just see him a second ago, even though I have no recollection of ever seeing him. But I feel his presence in a way that isn’t subject to scientific scrutiny, at least not with the scientific knowledge we have right now.

You might call all this brainwashing and ridiculous if you don’t believe in God. That’s true, this is what brainwashing would look like. But answer me this, is it any different than how things would look if God does exist?

Q: One time I asked a Mormon Elder if something came up that definitely, without a doubt, showed that the BOM and/or the LDS Church was wrong, would he still remain an LDS member. His answer was YES, he would remain LDS even if it was unequivically disproved.

That is one step away from DRINK THE COOLAID status.

A: I heartily disagree with that elder. If someone could show me unequivocal evidence that the church was false I’d leave in a heartbeat. It’s way too much work to be a Mormon if it isn’t true. But of course as you’re finding out it’s hard to show me evidence that is “uniquivocal”

Q: Over 3000 changes without footnote. I’d be gone in a flash!

A: Would you if God had already told you the book was true?

Q: Thats just the point. God doesn’t make 3000 changes without footnote.

A: You got a biblical reference for that?

Q: its just common sense. you got a biblical reference for Jesus and Satan being brothers?

A: Nope, but for us the Bible isn’t the end of God’s words to man. We see the Bible as being God’s word to a select group of men in a small part of the world. But we believe God has spoken to a lot of other people. The BofM is just one other book, but for all we know there may be hundreds of others like it. Maybe there were prophets in China 2,500 years ago and someday we’ll find what God said to them and it will confirm what’s in the Bible and help us understand it better. Maybe there were prophets in Russia, Africa, India, or Greenland thousands of years ago and they’ve all written books similar to the Bible. We don’t see the Bible as containing everything God ever spoke to man, just a small part of it, although obviously it’s of tremendous importance due to the firsthand accounts of the Savior’s life. But we believe God has said more than what’s in the Bible and that he will continue to say more through his living prophets to give us further knowledge about his plan for us.

Q: I will add this. If I found out that the Bible had over 3000 changes to it without footnote, I would punt my Christian faith like it was 4th down and 20.